The abcess pics. . .not for the squeemish!

[space mountain]

damn thats why i dont do bis

[TrippersGirl]

wow that's bad. I wonder how much he was injecting and what.

[anasci.]

FUCK THAT shit... give it to me in the glutes

[Reload]

Other than tearing a pec or bi, I think this is about the worst thing we fear in bodybuilding. Injection tech "is" important but in my experience it's unsterile gear that is to blame in most cases.
Mountainman...the reason they dont sew it up is to allow it to heal from the inside out. If you closed it, the wound would become necrotic and you would just have to open it up again. Most abcesses are lanced, irrigated and allowed to heal open...lots of scar tissue is created in the healing process. Not to mention time out of the gym, and having to explain yourself to your employer.
I'll bet this guy is on a shit load of antibiotics as well.
I hate seeing other peoples misfortunes, especially when it's totally avoidable. He'll have major scarring, adhesions, and possibly permanent loss of muscle tissue in his bi.
In my own personal experience with water based injections (Zambons and test suspensions), I have never gotten any appreciable increase in mass attibuted to local growth and neither have any of my competitors. All injects with a few exceptions exert their effect "systemically" (within the body via the blood stream). The exception is Nolotil (Cavar-ject) once called Esiclene. It's effect is attributed to a temporary inflamatory response.
I think it's a good thing to see these types of posts...especially for the new guy contemplating AAS use. Everyone knows how important it is to have all your ancillaries before you begin a cycle.
Having a supply of Augmentin or Cipro and the ability to recognize the symptoms of an abcess forming (inflamation, redness and heat) might provide you with the tools to prevent the abcess from getting to the point where surgery is necessary.
An abcess not attended to can lead to sepsis, necrosis and possible death. Something to think about...

[anasci.]

Reload how you know so much about this?

[anasci.]

also what are some warining signs that you have an abcess so you can take care of it, before it gets out of hand?

[canadagold]

Originally posted by psyko1
Jesus, that's fucked up. I know this is common info but that's due to either dirty gear, unsterile site/needles, like in this case too much volume. Anything else to watch out for?



-sorry to thread jack.

This was not due to dirty gear. . .it was the high volume part:) virormone is the cleanest propionate around and that was what he was shooting. . .YOu listed all the common reasons. . I can't really say as there are any more off the top of my head:)

[canadagold]

Originally posted by anasci.org
also what are some warining signs that you have an abcess so you can take care of it, before it gets out of hand?

He said his arm felt really tight and swollen for a few days before he went to the docs. . .due to the nerve damage etc. he has not much feeling left in the area . .

[canadagold]

Originally posted by Reload
Other than tearing a pec or bi, I think this is about the worst thing we fear in bodybuilding. Injection tech "is" important but in my experience it's unsterile gear that is to blame in most cases.
Mountainman...the reason they dont sew it up is to allow it to heal from the inside out. If you closed it, the wound would become necrotic and you would just have to open it up again. Most abcesses are lanced, irrigated and allowed to heal open...lots of scar tissue is created in the healing process. Not to mention time out of the gym, and having to explain yourself to your employer.
I'll bet this guy is on a shit load of antibiotics as well.
I hate seeing other peoples misfortunes, especially when it's totally avoidable. He'll have major scarring, adhesions, and possibly permanent loss of muscle tissue in his bi.
In my own personal experience with water based injections (Zambons and test suspensions), I have never gotten any appreciable increase in mass attibuted to local growth and neither have any of my competitors. All injects with a few exceptions exert their effect "systemically" (within the body via the blood stream). The exception is Nolotil (Cavar-ject) once called Esiclene. It's effect is attributed to a temporary inflamatory response.
I think it's a good thing to see these types of posts...especially for the new guy contemplating AAS use. Everyone knows how important it is to have all your ancillaries before you begin a cycle.
Having a supply of Augmentin or Cipro and the ability to recognize the symptoms of an abcess forming (inflamation, redness and heat) might provide you with the tools to prevent the abcess from getting to the point where surgery is necessary.
An abcess not attended to can lead to sepsis, necrosis and possible death. Something to think about...

Nolitil and caverject are not the same as esiclene. . .they are a drug similar to viagra in action except that it is injected into the penis at the base. . .ouch. .but not the same as esiclene which is no longer in production and was used for site enhancement of biceps and calfs etc. on the day of the show. Competitors do use nolatil and caver for a similar effect as esiclene but it is in no way as effective as esiclene and is not the in the same family of drugs. .wish it was though! :)
I have seen the arm now and he is getting away with pretty much no scarring although he does have nerve damage in the area that is causing him to lose feeling in the area. The arm was left open with no stiching and just covered with bandages and was cleaned and rebandaged on a regular basis. .he did have a long cycle of antibiotics and he is on the road to recovery.
I will post some pics soon of his arm after it heals!

[Reload]

Other symptoms include fever and malaise (feeling like shit). Canadagold is right here guys about my confusion with the similarities between cavar-ject esiclene...been so long. Little senility kicking in...my appologies.
Someone asked why I know so much about this...I was unfortunate enough to get an abcess in my right thigh many years back. Luckily I managed to take care of it myself with a little help from a very knowledgable individual. BA, an 18g needle and Bact water are all that was needed. In retrospect, it was not the smartest thing in the world to do but at the time I had no health insurance and well you know how that goes...
Drained approximately 6cc of purrulent, disgusting stuff with the 18g on a 10cc syringe then injected 1/4cc BA in 5cc Bact water into the area with a clean 25g on a 10cc syringe.
When draining, inj deeper (beyond the abcess) and then slowly pull back the plunger to expell the infectious puss.
If you have insurance and an understanding physician or one that doesn't ask many questions then by all means, leave it to the doc to care for.
I ended up with a good result using this procedure. I have a small internal lump 1x1" that continually shrinks the older I get.

[Murtle]

nasty

[golilla]

Originally posted by jipped genes
gross,looks like a wore out butt hole on a cheap whore after a payday.

goddamn jipped spoken like a true connaseur!:rofl:

[Firehoser]

Christ...thats gotta be septic to his system too...I usually limit my shots to 5ml, and rotate them, but am getting scar tissue in both gluts. never have done a pec dosage maybe worth a try...an a newby here by the way...hope you don't mind me buttin in...Firehoser

[PHit41]

ewwwwwww!!!! (bending over and ralphing) :drunk:

[bigpetefox]

Originally posted by Firehoser
Christ...thats gotta be septic to his system too...I usually limit my shots to 5ml, and rotate them, but am getting scar tissue in both gluts. never have done a pec dosage maybe worth a try...an a newby here by the way...hope you don't mind me buttin in...Firehoser

Welcome aboard, brother! :cool:

Once you try a pec shot, you might find yourself waiting for the next time you can do it again.. I think pec shots are my favorite site to spot dart.. :agree: