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I have 3 weeks worth of T3 i was gonna use in my cutting cycle for competition. As of sunday im 10 weeks out from competition. Iv heard T3 rebound after useage will hinder fat loss gains for a few weeks after you stop. Is this true? At what point in my 10 weeks of cutting do you recommend i use the 3 weeks of T3 at 100mg ED for the best benefit? I dont wanna be on too many orals up to the day of the show, so i probably want to at least be finnished with it a week before the shows. Thanx.
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I ran it for about 5 weeks, stopped it 2 weeks before my show as it can make you come in flat. As I've posted many times before I like the 5%/40%/55% rule and I maxed the dose at 75 mcg but could have gone to 100mcg. -
Hey bro. . .I have posted this before somewhere but it is a good subject. . .
dieting is like a war with fat. . .if you use up all your big weapons at the start you will lose the battle at the end:)
ie. at 18-20 weeks out you start to clean up the diet. . .then you monitor yourself and tighten it up some more at 14-16 weeks out. . . no aids yet like thermos, clen or t-3 . .if you have to take that stuff to lose fat then you are not dieting/training correctly.
YOu should only have to pull out the "big guns" a few weeks before the show to get that last bit off. . .ie. 3 weeks out kick in some clen and t-3 at low dose. . .50-75 mcg t-3 is plenty.
I do agree that t-3 can make you flat but I think this is to do more with dose.
taking 25mcg a day will help you drop some water (don't ask me the reason why, it is just common knowledge with many competitors that t-3 has a diuretic effect)
but will not make you flat as long as you are eating correctly etc.
so you have the perfect amount then to kick it at 50-75mcg 3 weeks out and then back off to 25mcg per day for the last week. . .
should do the trick:)Comment
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What exactly is the 5%/40%/55% rule?
Canadagold i couldnt agree more with saving your weapons til you need them. Im 9 weeks out, using ECA stack, kickin in clen next week. Savin T3 til 4 weeks out, then il drop the dose to 25mg ED like you suggested. Few questions. . .
Will Clen cause any unwanted effects with my contest prep also? Can i run it up til and including the day of the show?
Is it cool at a low dose (25mcg) to run T3 up to and including the day of the show?
If it matters il also be useing aldactone.Comment
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Originally posted by TooPowerful4u
What exactly is the 5%/40%/55% rule?
http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...threadid=11430 I explain it in the bottom of < thread.Comment
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to be honest I think that diazide is the best diuretic out there. . .mild and potass sparing.Originally posted by TooPowerful4u
What exactly is the 5%/40%/55% rule?
Canadagold i couldnt agree more with saving your weapons til you need them. Im 9 weeks out, using ECA stack, kickin in clen next week. Savin T3 til 4 weeks out, then il drop the dose to 25mg ED like you suggested. Few questions. . .
Will Clen cause any unwanted effects with my contest prep also? Can i run it up til and including the day of the show?
Is it cool at a low dose (25mcg) to run T3 up to and including the day of the show?
If it matters il also be useing aldactone.
Clen will not screw up your contest prep stuff so you can leave that in. . .the t-3 will just help you drop some more water so you can leave it in at that low dose. . .Comment
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I ran aldactone and liked it. I've heard of some using Aldactone starting monday and up until friday and then switching to diazide. This is the hard part of competing though, you have to find out what's best for you. Next go round I may use aldactone and keep injectible lasix on hand for sat. morning. I am against lasix but injectible lasix is different as it acts so fast.Comment
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why would one run a diuretic for a week? the only people I know that did that came in skinny and flat. . .diuretics are to be used right before the show within 12-24 hours of going on stage. .if you are holding that much water that you need to do them for a week then something is wrong in my opinion. lasix? don't go there unless you are a freak. .as in 275+ and already hard like rock . . .those guys can get away with this to some extent but anyone that is not of that size will just come in flat; trust me.Comment
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Why run aldactone for a week.....it is a extremely mild diuretic. It will not give you desired effects within 24 hours. And as far as the lasix comment I made. I know what the tab for of lasix will do. Injectible lasix will not have the same effect however as it is very fast acting. Here ya go, taken from anabolic review steroid profiles:
Remark: Internationally, numerous other compounds containing the substance spironolactone are available. Due to limited space they are not listed here.
Aldactone is a diuretic and belongs to the subgroup of potassium--sparing diuretics. Aldactone is an aldosterone antagonist. It influ-ences the body's own hormone, aldosterone, which accelerates the excretion of potassium and reduces the excretion of sodium and water. Simplified, aldosterone regulates the endogenous water household. The higher the aldosterone level, the more water is stored in the body. The use of Aldactone results in a significant reduction in the aldosterone level so that an increased excretion of sodium and water occurs while, at the same time, potassium is reabsorbed. This also explains why Aldactone is called a potassium-sparing diuretic since it does not cause a loss of potassium like thiazides and furosemides (lasix) do. Athletes must strictly observe that during the use of Aldactone no additional potassium is taken since this would cause a life-threatening increase in the serum potassium level. Potassium--sparing diuretics have relatively low diuretic effects so that Aldactone can be called a mild diuretic. It is interesting to note that Aldactone is also an antiandrogen since it reduces the androgen level. Female athletes take advantage of this characteristic by using it to mini-mize the virilization symptoms during steroid treatment or the symptoms after treatment. For this purpose Aldactone is normally taken daily for 10 to14 days, usually in a dose of 50 mg/day. In men this could cause problems since the relationship of the andro-gen level to the estrogen level changes in favor of the latter. Thus, common side effects in men include pain in the nipples and breast swelling (gynecomastia).
Bodybuilders use Aldactone almost exclusively during the last week before a competition. Since this causes neither a dramatic nor an immediately noticeable draining effect, it is usually taken over 5-6 days in a dosage of 2 tablets of 50 mg daily. Both male and female athletes take it. The main problems in men consist of gynecomastia and possible impo-tence. Other side effects can be low blood pressure, muscle spasms, dizziness, gastrointestinal pain, vomiting, irregular pulse rate, and fatigue.Comment
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t3 kicks ass. ;)Comment
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I agree that is may be classified as a "mild" diuretic. . .but I have seen too many guys take it for a week as outlined and they are FLAT with a capital F. . .as I said, if you have to take a diurectic in any kind of dose to bring out your definition that much then you did not diet right. . .Originally posted by Lmg2701
Why run aldactone for a week.....it is a extremely mild diuretic. It will not give you desired effects within 24 hours. And as far as the lasix comment I made. I know what the tab for of lasix will do. Injectible lasix will not have the same effect however as it is very fast acting. Here ya go, taken from anabolic review steroid profiles:
Remark: Internationally, numerous other compounds containing the substance spironolactone are available. Due to limited space they are not listed here.
Aldactone is a diuretic and belongs to the subgroup of potassium--sparing diuretics. Aldactone is an aldosterone antagonist. It influ-ences the body's own hormone, aldosterone, which accelerates the excretion of potassium and reduces the excretion of sodium and water. Simplified, aldosterone regulates the endogenous water household. The higher the aldosterone level, the more water is stored in the body. The use of Aldactone results in a significant reduction in the aldosterone level so that an increased excretion of sodium and water occurs while, at the same time, potassium is reabsorbed. This also explains why Aldactone is called a potassium-sparing diuretic since it does not cause a loss of potassium like thiazides and furosemides (lasix) do. Athletes must strictly observe that during the use of Aldactone no additional potassium is taken since this would cause a life-threatening increase in the serum potassium level. Potassium--sparing diuretics have relatively low diuretic effects so that Aldactone can be called a mild diuretic. It is interesting to note that Aldactone is also an antiandrogen since it reduces the androgen level. Female athletes take advantage of this characteristic by using it to mini-mize the virilization symptoms during steroid treatment or the symptoms after treatment. For this purpose Aldactone is normally taken daily for 10 to14 days, usually in a dose of 50 mg/day. In men this could cause problems since the relationship of the andro-gen level to the estrogen level changes in favor of the latter. Thus, common side effects in men include pain in the nipples and breast swelling (gynecomastia).
Bodybuilders use Aldactone almost exclusively during the last week before a competition. Since this causes neither a dramatic nor an immediately noticeable draining effect, it is usually taken over 5-6 days in a dosage of 2 tablets of 50 mg daily. Both male and female athletes take it. The main problems in men consist of gynecomastia and possible impo-tence. Other side effects can be low blood pressure, muscle spasms, dizziness, gastrointestinal pain, vomiting, irregular pulse rate, and fatigue.
I am not dissagreeing that some may need more diuretics but I do know that many guys take them because they did not diet correctly and they are trying to overcompensate. . therefore I do not reccomend diuretics to anyone except as the last touch. . .
The part of the qoute I think is the most important is this part:
"so that an increased excretion of sodium and water occurs"
Increased sodium excretion over a long period = FLAT
The guy that helps me get ready for my shows promotes sodium LOADING to promote muscle fullness. . .decreasing sodium as many do makes them flat. . .hence the reason that in most lower level shows you see many small, flat and stringy competitors. . .
My views on this are my own and come from watching many shows, pro and ameateur and talking to pros and ameatures as well as my own experience. . .yours may be different but that is what this is all about :)Comment
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I agree with you bro. it's all about experimentation and seeing what is right for you. I'm all for learning something new but in my personal experiences with aldactone it was best run when i started on the monday and the comp. was on the sat. we're all here to learn though I would like to know more about how your last week of contest prep went. i.e. sodium/carb depletion/carb loading/ diuretics and others?Comment
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I won't be carb loading anymore. .. it is hit and miss and mostly miss in my opinion. .
I prefer to do a depletion workout and keep my carbs the same. . .that way when you stop all training 2-3 days before you fill out and then add in fats the last day. . .makes you hard and full and vascular. . .I will post exactly what I do this coming year as I am going to be experimenting a bit and taking the advice of some guys that have helped a HEAP of people get ready. . I am also getting some inside info on what nichols does with his guys. . .I am not at liberty to say how but I am, and it should be interesting:)Comment
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