"Big" Dan Hill - Drugs VS Natty

[rado]

He must have been forced to come off high dose due to health reasons. I can't imagine anyone willingly going from alpha to beta looks wise as much as he has. it's not just about being smaller. He looks like fucken pee wee hereman now and he clearly is still trying to show people he keeps in some kind of shape. He must have needed a shit ton of gear that caused him some kind of mental/physical problems that he just had to come off.

You look at the first pic in the thread and you think "ok they go together". You look at the second pic and you think "he looks like a star wars nerd who won a date with a girl". Lol

fair enough

high test levels right here..

I feel as if I just looked at a gay pic:gaydo:

[Bouncer]

high test levels right here..

[Bouncer]

He must have been forced to come off high dose due to health reasons. I can't imagine anyone willingly going from alpha to beta looks wise as much as he has. it's not just about being smaller. He looks like fucken pee wee hereman now and he clearly is still trying to show people he keeps in some kind of shape. He must have needed a shit ton of gear that caused him some kind of mental/physical problems that he just had to come off.

You look at the first pic in the thread and you think "ok they go together". You look at the second pic and you think "he looks like a star wars nerd who won a date with a girl". Lol

[rado]

Really? I don't disagree with Rado but I certainly don't think you need drugs to achieve that look by any means.

You don't NEED them to achieve that look necessarily, agreed. But when you're body was accustomed to synthetics for years? It's fair to say our own bodies would not know how to function without. Or even produce anything right away.

So while we can agree that many can achieve that look natty, I'd bet that's some sort of minimal HRT bro.

[Bouncer]

Agree with Rado, that's not necessarily a natty look...

Really? I don't disagree with Rado but I certainly don't think you need drugs to achieve that look by any means.

[AllDay]

Agree with Rado, that's not necessarily a natty look...

[rado]

THAT look could probably be from hrt type dose. Some of those guys really ruin themselves, as to why i think they look sick when completely off. Their own bodies basically need to learn itself again on maintaining. People like myself and some here, we tend to not over do it and even if we do, we scale it back a bit.

[Bouncer]

He's definitely still natty. In shape though. You'd think he'd want to get on at least a little something and loose the scrawny look but at least he takes care of himself.

[TrapsBrah]

sometimes peoples priorities in life change too... bb'lding isnt exactly a great way to make a living and its time consuming. who knows...

I see this all the time in the local gyms. guy i used to train with won pro card did several shows. he looked great. Now he doesnt even go to the gym its been 2 years. It seems for some of these guys its ALL or NONE like an addict. they push the steriod use to the body's limit train 3 times a day all of a sudden stop and move on

It still seems like it would destroy your ego though being all huge then getting small. As matt said you can drop the drugs not the lifestyle.

[rado]

sometimes peoples priorities in life change too... bb'lding isnt exactly a great way to make a living and its time consuming. who knows...

I see this all the time in the local gyms. guy i used to train with won pro card did several shows. he looked great. Now he doesnt even go to the gym its been 2 years. It seems for some of these guys its ALL or NONE like an addict. they push the steriod use to the body's limit train 3 times a day all of a sudden stop and move on

:thumb:

[Bouncer]

sometimes peoples priorities in life change too... bb'lding isnt exactly a great way to make a living and its time consuming. who knows...

I see this all the time in the local gyms. guy i used to train with won pro card did several shows. he looked great. Now he doesnt even go to the gym its been 2 years. It seems for some of these guys its ALL or NONE like an addict. they push the steriod use to the body's limit train 3 times a day all of a sudden stop and move on

good point. I've seen this over my years at various gyms as well.

maybe they go all out and come to some conclusion that they will never be on the front of a mag? i dunno.

i can never understand that because I train for different reasons. I train so that I can live with myself. i train to make myself feel good.

[jack tors]

sometimes peoples priorities in life change too... bb'lding isnt exactly a great way to make a living and its time consuming. who knows...

I see this all the time in the local gyms. guy i used to train with won pro card did several shows. he looked great. Now he doesnt even go to the gym its been 2 years. It seems for some of these guys its ALL or NONE like an addict. they push the steriod use to the body's limit train 3 times a day all of a sudden stop and move on

[MattG]

If my health was totally fucked, i guess i'd have to stop what im doing...but i would still hit the gym at least 3-4 times a week and make a decent effort to look like a muscular "natty". No way could i handle doing what he did. Being a big bastard to being a scrawny average joe would destroy me mentally. I could give up the drugs, but never the lifestyle

[Bouncer]

His health was such an issue that he also had to stop lifting?

[rado]

You're also not taking into account(like many other things)that his body became accustomed to the drugs doing all the work. Years of abuse, excessive amounts, etc...all of that more than likely took a huge toll on the body that when he came off, well now you see what he looks like. What if his health was so serious that he just can't even take test?!?! You don't know his situation or life issues. I give major props for anyone to have such confidence after looking like a stud to post pics like that, to carry on with his normal life and live free of issues....bravo to him.