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[Mr I]

does it make you feel better to think that?

its the combo of everything. everything is an absolute extreme.

Whats that supposed to mean does it make me feel better, I don't get?

I know bbr's can experience a range of problems like anyone else but my point is the kidneys specifically seem to have a special place in the 'things that go wrong' category when it comes to bodybuilders more so than other atheletes including powerlifters. To this end what causes the damage ? if your saying combo of everything, ok then but in my opinion and from what I read and see and hear, dehydration is a particular risk to the kidneys over and above other factors, way above. In connection therewith diuretics are known to cause severe dehydration and there's more than one account of it being linked to kidney failure, Tom Prince being one.

[Bouncer]

Whats that supposed to mean does it make me feel better, I don't get?

I know bbr's can experience a range of problems like anyone else but my point is the kidneys specifically seem to have a special place in the 'things that go wrong' category when it comes to bodybuilders more so than other atheletes including powerlifters. To this end what causes the damage ? if your saying combo of everything, ok then but in my opinion and from what I read and see and hear, dehydration is a particular risk to the kidneys over and above other factors, way above. In connection therewith diuretics are known to cause severe dehydration and there's more than one account of it being linked to kidney failure, Tom Prince being one.

diuretics are just a piece of the puzzle. they alone do not make the kindneys fail like tom princes did. he took countless oral steroids, ate ibuprofin like candy, drank 5 gals a water, ate a ton of red meat a day, etc.. etc..

[Mr I]

diuretics are just a piece of the puzzle. they alone do not make the kindneys fail like tom princes did. he took countless oral steroids, ate ibuprofin like candy, drank 5 gals a water, ate a ton of red meat a day, etc.. etc..

ok I see, true and especially the point about the painkillers/anti inflamatory's, but you have to admit from what you read hear, diuretics pose the biggest threat no?

[Bouncer]

ok I see, true and especially the point about the painkillers/anti inflamatory's, but you have to admit from what you read hear, diuretics pose the biggest threat no?

a certain kind of diuretics combined with the extreme no water shit these guys do is the danger.

p.s. didnt mean to be a dick when i said "if that makes you feel better". i just want people to know that its not always someone else. it can be you if you abuse shit.

[Mr I]

a certain kind of diuretics combined with the extreme no water shit these guys do is the danger.

p.s. didnt mean to be a dick when i said "if that makes you feel better". i just want people to know that its not always someone else. it can be you if you abuse shit.

cool bro just wanted to understand, do you think its possible to compete to a high level without diuretics?

Dorian was as grainy and crisp as they come and said he never took diuretics

[Bouncer]

cool bro just wanted to understand, do you think its possible to compete to a high level without diuretics?

Dorian was as grainy and crisp as they come and said he never took diuretics

i think if you naturally dont hold much water and you get diet and water right it is possable. but for someone like Cutler or flex wheeler who cant get rid of water very well, not a chance.

[Mr I]

i think if you naturally dont hold much water and you get diet and water right it is possable. but for someone like Cutler or flex wheeler who cant get rid of water very well, not a chance.

i'M FUCKED THEN :rofl:

[Bouncer]

rado would have to have a hose stuck up his ass to pull the water out. that is one fat bloated mess.

[dna9488]

So what you guys are saying is, they use diuretics to get their bodies to urinate constantly?

Even if they're not competing?

[Bouncer]

So what you guys are saying is, they use diuretics to get their bodies to urinate constantly?

Even if they're not competing?

no dumbass. diuretics are from show time.

[bigscott]

ok I see, true and especially the point about the painkillers/anti inflamatory's, but you have to admit from what you read hear, diuretics pose the biggest threat no?

the pain killers/anti inflamatorys are what killed tom princes kidneys not diuretics and not steroids !!!

i hate when people come on here and make assumptions !!

facts are the extreme diets and high amount of nsaid use is what more times then not kills these guys kidneys not fucking steroids !!!!!

[Mr I]

the pain killers/anti inflamatorys are what killed tom princes kidneys not diuretics and not steroids !!!

i hate when people come on here and make assumptions !!

facts are the extreme diets and high amount of nsaid use is what more times then not kills these guys kidneys not fucking steroids !!!!!

Ok well oral a17a steroids are more renal toxic than other steroids, not assumption, fact. Diuretics are known to be dangerous and I thought it was the kidneys they affected since without water they can't excrete. Can you explain how the explain the extreem diet part and why you know its bad for kidneys? I don't want to assume its the high protien lol!

[Bouncer]

the pain killers/anti inflamatorys are what killed tom princes kidneys not diuretics and not steroids !!!

i would say you are mostly right. but dont down play the effect of years of extreme steroids, massive amounts of protein etc.. without brake on top of those pain killers etc..

[dfc]

Don from what I know was very against any rec drugs he was of high amounts of gear,slin,and gh along with a diet that would blow him up and then down in very short times.