Ethics of sexuality continued...

[Aurora]

Since (for the most part) there was some good exchange in the "question about homosexuals" thread, I thought discussing sexual boundries might be interesting. For example, since I think its fair to say that most people (including myself) on this board are "pro" gay rights & marraige. So the question for THOSE people are -at what point do you draw an ethical line for sexuality? For example, lets say inter-family relations. 2 willing, consentual adults who love each other but just happen to be siblings. (gay or not gay, totally optional). Should a line be drawn here? Should they be allowed to marry? Or should this behaviour be deemed as unethical? You may use as many examples as you need to support your argument, you dont need to stick to the one provided, assuming every example involves 2 consentual adults.



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-Sexual boundries.... Discuss.

[IntensityX]

I draw the line when it comes to:

Incest
Animal sex
Sex involving childern

Those things above are not exceptable in today's society whatsoever and as far as gay sex is concerned,whatever floats their boat.

IMHO I think that you and you alone should worry about your own sexual conduct and not worry about others and not worry about what others think(unless it deals with the above conduct).

[Aurora]

I think we can rule out animals and children since neither can be consentual. The only thing that comes to my mind then is incest, maybe because Im not that creative lol.

This came about when I read this quote, I wont be able to repeat it verbatim but it went something like this: " Let every man have all the rights that you claim for yourself" or something to that effect. It reminded me of the homosexual topic, and what also comes to mind is Woody Allen. The guy who married his daughter. You can now branch into arguments about how she wasnt really his daughter because she was adopted. But everyone who is adopted knows that the person who raises you is YOUR mother/father. To me this is still incest. Im in a moral battle over this one because how can I on one hand say that its only ok for a certain sector of society to love each other, but not the other. Its ethical hypocrisy.

[Racer814]

well....if you have intercourse with your blood sibling and she has a baby..it will more than likely be born with DOWNS SYNDROME.....people that have sex with children should have their throat cut ( albeit in a kind way) and sex with animals..well as long as the sheep is consenting...just get a room....this is just my opinion though

[Puddles]

Although I don't know all of the particulars of what Woody Allen did (like her age, how long he was raising her, etc.) but assuming she was of legal age to make a decision, I don't think he was in the wrong morally because they were not blood related. I would find it odd if this happened after he raised her from a young age, but not actually morally wrong.

I'm out on the brother/sister thing. I don't have an oppinion either way. I can see the arguments from both sides and neither one is strong enough for me to form a solid oppinion.

Cousins...although they are blood related I can't say that it's morally wrong for them to fall in love and marry. Having children together would be a tough decision because of the genetic problems that would be likely to occur.

Another moral subject that I've thought a lot about is polygamy. Although it's not something that I'd enter into, I do not think it's morally wrong. I've seen polygamous families and they appear to be very happy and there's a warmth and abundance of love in those families that you don't see in most monogamous relationships. I believe that some people are very capable of loving more than one significant other at a time. I grew up not in a polygamous household but it wasn't monagamous either. My father was married to another woman before he met my mother and he never left his wife and he could not leave my mother, he loved both women equally. He lived two seperate lives with the women for the most part, but there were times when we were all working together at his resteraunt and I know he would have been happier living a polygamous lifestyle instead of keeping the two families seperate. I just don't think the two women in his life could have handled it. I think us kids would have been fine with it however. When he passed away we were all together for the first time without trying to hide anything, we were sharing all of the wonderful things that a family would share and there were no hard feelings at all between the children.

[Aurora]

How does that work exactly? is it only the man that can have multiple wives or can the wives also have multiple husbands? I think that there would be a certain amount of jealousy and competition amongst the wives if it was only the man who was allowed to seek relationships.

[Aurora]

Woody Allen had his daughter since she was about 2 years old I beleive.

[VeggieLifterGal]

brother/sister and cousin/cousin are weird, and breeding between them should probably be avoided due to the risks of genetic defects. But I don't think its a moral problem if everyone is consenting. Parent/child is messed up because it involves an abuse of trust on the parent's end. They are in a position of power and authority over the child and so that kind of relationship really could never be equal and fair to both. For that reason I would say it is unethical. It is definitely a repulsive idea genetically - if they were to breed.

[Aurora]

I think we can all agree that any form of incestuous breeding would be unethical and generally disgusting. Would it be ethical then for these "couples" to adopt a child? Im thinking of exposing a child to "my dad is really my grandfather" or something potentially emotionally damaging.

[Puddles]

Originally posted by Aurora
How does that work exactly? is it only the man that can have multiple wives or can the wives also have multiple husbands? I think that there would be a certain amount of jealousy and competition amongst the wives if it was only the man who was allowed to seek relationships.

There are different kinds of polygamous relationships. Here in the US it is usually one man with multiple wives. Sometimes there will be multiple husbands to one wife (I forget where but in one country, that is the norm above any other kind of relationship). Sometimes a polygamous relationship will include both multiple partners of both sexes, more like a commune. The one man with multiple females is the most common form of polygamy. Much of the time the women are sexually involved with one another, but not always. In certain cultures it is only the husband who has any sexual relations with the women. Polygamy is obviously not good for someone with a jealous nature. Traditionally, the relationships are developed together...meaning it's not the man who goes out and seeks another partner alone, but the first wife has just as much of a role in finding the partner as the husband.

[Puddles]

Originally posted by Aurora
I think we can all agree that any form of incestuous breeding would be unethical and generally disgusting. Would it be ethical then for these "couples" to adopt a child? Im thinking of exposing a child to "my dad is really my grandfather" or something potentially emotionally damaging.

Children will usually grow up thinking that their household is the norm until they are exposed to outside influences. If it is not kept a secret from early on, I doubt it would be emotionally damaging for most children to know that their parents were related, maybe a little embarrassing if the rest of the family has issues with it, but not anything severely emotionally damaging. Kids love their parents unconditionally and if the home is a loving one they will not find fault in what their parents do.

[Shibby]

"There's no such thing as right or wrong. Only popular opinion"

[cowgirl]

Originally posted by Shibby
"There's no such thing as right or wrong. Only popular opinion"

Yeah, Sure!

That was my parents mantra. Then I entered the real world!


Preach that to your kids and you get someone who isn't ready to enter society.

[njjuicer]

on the thign with incest and children it takes mroe than one breeidn of the same bloodlien to have dforemd baby jake the snake form wwf many years ago wa sproduct of incest his father rapoed his daughter (his mother) but either way its fucke dup and buulets shoudl eb put in sick fucks liek that and sheep fuckers well if u feel u need to do a sheep ro any othe rfamr animal there sno hoep and u should jsut kill urself lol as for pedofiles and kiddy touchers did gladly rid the world with red smiel frome ar to ear thats my thoughts of the night

[MuGGsy]

logically speaking you cannot reproduce through homosexuality of any sorts, for fun go for it, as far as adopting I wouldn't agree it is a very good thing to do, not to take away from the people but just how i see it, completely unnatural.