ADHD...thoughts, info, anything..

[Turbo3000]

I am doing a speech on the over diagnosis of ADHD. I am looking for info on the government's role in it and the fact that their aren't any real tests to determine which kids have it and which don't.

I have searched all over the web, but I have only found a small amount of info, not enough for a three minute speech.

I know a lot of you are parents, and maybe some of you have kids that are diagnosed ADHD, maybe some of you have some info I could use.

[Puddles]

Here's a decent sized thread about ADHD and kids here in the chat forum, maybe it'll give you some help. PM Trip, he may have something useful for you too. Good luck with your speach!

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...highlight=ADHD

[Gods Son]

My daughter is extremely hyperactive IMO. but i havent had her tested

[Turbo3000]

Originally posted by MrsPuddlesFL
Here's a decent sized thread about ADHD and kids here in the chat forum, maybe it'll give you some help. PM Trip, he may have something useful for you too. Good luck with your speach!

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...highlight=ADHD

Thanks Mrs. P.

I have been reseaching this topic a lot for the past few days and I have learned a ton. I am glad to see that your daughter benifits from the Ritalin.

I have been reading a lot of stories about low income parents that tell their kids to do badly in school and act out symptoms of ADHD so that they can get government benifits. That is sad.

[Puddles]

Originally posted by Turbo3000
I have been reading a lot of stories about low income parents that tell their kids to do badly in school and act out symptoms of ADHD so that they can get government benifits. That is sad.

That's a crime just like any other stealing is. Gotta love it when parents teach kids to steal like this from an early age. Grrrrrrrrrr!

[trip]

turbo,

We've discovered more about the mind in the last 20 years than in the history of the world. This journey has only just begun.

IMHO it is not overly diagnosed, it is SEVERELY misunderstood by almost all folks. A prime example would be you started out with a thesis, "that it is over diagnosed" now you've done research and you are probably somewhat overwhelmed, you've come too realize you've taken a stance based on an opinion and now that you are uncovering facts you're like whoaaaaa, didn't know.

If your goal is too do a 3 minute speech talk about your own journey, how you thought it was one thing, did research and know you're like whoaaa. Should be a good speech because it is honest sincere and you know the subject matter YOU 100% better than anyone.

Good Luck

[lxorl]

my fiancee is doing her PHD on ADHD... if you need info down the road, I can put you in contact with her.

[telephone]

Originally posted by MrsPuddlesFL
That's a crime just like any other stealing is. Gotta love it when parents teach kids to steal like this from an early age. Grrrrrrrrrr!

for real..thats fucked up..i think in general adhd is bullshit..this is something that has came up last 20 yrs or so..its excuse for parents to dope their kids so they dont have to put forth so much effort to watch and raise kids properly..that goes for teachers also..kid gives them a little shit then its,oh yeah mrs jones your son in my opinion is definantly candidate for adhd..you should have him checked out..we just cant do anything with him..bullshit..when i fucked up we got paddling and dhall..then we got ass beat at home..i say puty paddling back in school..didnt kill me..lol..no offense to anyone who kid has been diagnosed with adhd..im sure there are rare cases where it is necassary..

[MuGGsy]

I never suffered from adhd but I do have add, the difference between those 2 i can tell you is phenomenal. My good friend has ADHD and he bounces off the wall, me ... well unless im on clen I can sit still for hours, but put me in front a book a year ago (pre councelling and what not) and I probably couldn't last a paragraph.

[Puddles]

Originally posted by telephone
for real..thats fucked up..i think in general adhd is bullshit..this is something that has came up last 20 yrs or so..its excuse for parents to dope their kids so they dont have to put forth so much effort to watch and raise kids properly..that goes for teachers also..kid gives them a little shit then its,oh yeah mrs jones your son in my opinion is definantly candidate for adhd..you should have him checked out..we just cant do anything with him..bullshit..when i fucked up we got paddling and dhall..then we got ass beat at home..i say puty paddling back in school..didnt kill me..lol..no offense to anyone who kid has been diagnosed with adhd..im sure there are rare cases where it is necassary..

20 yrs. ago when they didn't have a clear diagnosis for "troubled" kids, did paddling work? NO! The kids would still act out in class, and in higher grades cut class and drop out. Does medication work, YES! Especially when it's combined with behaviour modification.

ADHD is not bullshit, for real!

Ritalin and other medications used to treat ADHD/ADD are actually stimulants. They don't work as stimulants in people who suffer from this disease, they wind up working quite the opposite. If a child takes these meds without having the disease it will not dope them up, it will excite them. And, if a person is on the correct amount of medication they will not appear doped up, it will simply allow them to function normally.

[Turbo3000]

Originally posted by MrsPuddlesFL
20 yrs. ago when they didn't have a clear diagnosis for "troubled" kids, did paddling work? NO! The kids would still act out in class, and in higher grades cut class and drop out. Does medication work, YES! Especially when it's combined with behaviour modification.

ADHD is not bullshit, for real!

Ritalin and other medications used to treat ADHD/ADD are actually stimulants. They don't work as stimulants in people who suffer from this disease, they wind up working quite the opposite. If a child takes these meds without having the disease it will not dope them up, it will excite them. And, if a person is on the correct amount of medication they will not appear doped up, it will simply allow them to function normally.

After researching it for my speech, I have come to the conclusion that ADD/ADHD is a real condition. And there are a ton of people that benifit from the use of ritalin. I also believe that there are a ton of children that are taking ritalin that don't really need it. I believe some school systems over diagnose the problem, and I believe the pharm companys and the APA convinced a bunch of doctors to diagnose ADHD too easily.

[telephone]

Originally posted by Turbo3000
After researching it for my speech, I have come to the conclusion that ADD/ADHD is a real condition. And there are a ton of people that benifit from the use of ritalin. I also believe that there are a ton of children that are taking ritalin that don't really need it. I believe some school systems over diagnose the problem, and I believe the pharm companys and the APA convinced a bunch of doctors to diagnose ADHD too easily.

thank you..thats what i was shootin for..lets teach our kids to be med bound early so they can be dependent on meds to fix anything as adults..seems to be the way to go..i knicked my finger at work so i think i need to take these vicodin..lol..i feel sda lately so maybe i should get on prozac or something..bullshit..sorry

[trip]

It all goes back to what I said, it is SEVERELY misunderstood.

Take anything at all in the world and look at it 20 years ago has progress been made.

40 yrs. ago in school children were labeled "bad, lazy, troubled" etc. , that was the diagnosis

20 yrs. ago into the mainstream came ADD, ADHD, Dislexia, and two or three others

Today, we'll we are looking at well over 40 different types of learning disabilities.

We will have the same problem each one of them will be severely misunderstood.

Too date they believe there are SEVERAL THOUSAND variations on how the mind process's information that forms and leads to learning.

There is no formal test for ADD, it is based on symptoms, their are approx. 25 symptoms, almost all of us have 10 of them, it is when you get around 15 that it needs to be looked at critically.

Medication is no different than any other med's doctors prescribed.

Do you realize 80% of folks do not even ask one question of a doctor when they prescribe anything, is the doctor always right?

Parents with problem children are desperate for solutions, lessened family stress environment and when a person of authority says, "do this", well most of them do.

That's just the way it is.

Most ADD is mild, and like John Roar, once properly diagnosed, understanding it, and having an awareness of it, leads to many easy behavior modification techniques that are very effective for most.

ADHD, like John said, whole differently ball of wax.

Remember the old saying, "So & so is a work-aholic" . That is what they said, 40 & 20 yrs. ago, well guess what, lot's of those folks were just ADD and or ADHD, people that cannot sit still.

What actually happens is that, thankfully, most folks can do a days work feel good about it and then relaxe, and when they relaxe the mind also becomes relaxed and calm and no worries.

The ADD mind is only relaxed when it is focused or engaged in work, otherwise it spins out of control and will not and cannot shut down.

There's a wide wide wide world we have yet too discover out their, and every day many are discovering new things to help all folks.

And for the folks they help, it is a godsend. And fortunately most will never have to expereince such pains, which is okay and good.

Good Day

[Puddles]

Originally posted by trip

There is no formal test for ADD, it is based on symptoms, their are approx. 25 symptoms, almost all of us have 10 of them, it is when you get around 15 that it needs to be looked at critically.

Medication is no different than any other med's doctors prescribed.

Do you realize 80% of folks do not even ask one question of a doctor when they prescribe anything, is the doctor always right?

Parents with problem children are desperate for solutions, lessened family stress environment and when a person of authority says, "do this", well most of them do.

That's just the way it is.

This is where I as a parent have a responsibility to educate myself and understand the issue. I researched ADHD for about a year before making the decision to try ritalin. We had tried behaviour modification alone and it was not enough. The poor kid was going through hell unable to concentrate in school because of her hyperactivity and it was beginning to affect her socially. Fortunately we have a wonderful doctor who worked with us to help us make an informed decision to try medication for our daughter.

I think that too many parents do just take the word of their doctor as law and do not question or research things themselves. Is ADHD/ADD over diagnosed by doctors, probably. Is the disorder real, yes. Is medication the answer, no, not alone, but yes if it is used responsibly with parents helping their kids learn how to function, only using the medication as a part of the treatment.

Just like you can take blood pressure medication alone to help lower high blood pressure, other factors come into play like diet and exercise. Learning disorders that require medication also need to be dealt with by other means to get the best effect.

[trip]

Mrs. P,

Your daughter is fortunate beyond means to have you and Stromba.

Can you imagine a child like her and the parents not understanding. You have problems enough, and you kind of know, can you imagine how horrible it is for a child, how bad they feel about themselves because no matter how hard they try they just can't and everyone criticizes them, oh it hurts just to think of it.

I know you know all above, it is just so sad sometimes when I think of it.

Later