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    I was listening to the radio and heard that Berg was told to leave Iraq by the US offical many times. I listened to his dad and he was blaming the US gov for his sons death. Come on, how was it the gov's fault? Those murderers have been doing this anyways. It is nothing new. They saw it as an opportunity to say they were getting rvenge for the pics and use our media against us. That is the only way we will lose this war. Our media is their best weapon. When people see vidoe and pics like that some(like me) want to get revenge.Others want to pull out and have "peace". Here is an artical about berg and the gov telling him to get out. I dont want to seem like an asshole but if the FBI tells me to go I go.

    WASHINGTON - The U.S. government warned a young American to leave Iraq (news - web sites), and offered him a flight out of the country, a month before his grisly beheading was broadcast on an al-Qaida-linked Web site, officials said.


    But authorities in Baghdad denied that Nicholas Berg, 26, was held in U.S. custody before he disappeared in early April, despite claims to the contrary by his family. The authorities said he had been held by Iraqi police for about two weeks and questioned by FBI (news - web sites) agents three times.


    The final movements of the telecommunications businessman from suburban Philadelphia remain unclear as officials in Washington and Baghdad try to piece together how Berg crossed paths with a group of Islamic militants who savagely decapitated him in a video released Tuesday bearing the title "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American." It referred to an associate of Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) believed to be behind a wave of suicide bombings in Iraq.


    Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told reporters Thursday in Baghdad that it appears al-Zarqawi was responsible.


    Asked whether he meant al-Zarqawi personally carried out the execution, Sanchez said, "All indications are he did it." Asked about al-Zarqawi's whereabouts, he said, "We believe he's moving around the country."


    Later, however, Sanchez said it wasn't clear that Zarqawi was present at the killing. "I don't know whether he was personally holding the knife or in the room," Sanchez said. "I do not know that."


    Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had said earlier it was likely that al-Zarqawi himself was "the lead perpetrator."


    Berg's body was found Saturday in Baghdad. Two e-mails he sent to his family and friends show he traveled widely and unguarded throughout Iraq, an unsafe practice rarely done by Westerners.


    Shortly before Berg's disappearance, he was warned by the FBI that Iraq was too volatile a place for unprotected American civilians and that he could be harmed, a senior FBI official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Wednesday.


    On April 10, four days after Berg was released from an Iraqi prison, an American diplomat offered to put him on a flight to Jordan, State Department spokeswoman Kelly Shannon said.


    But Berg told the diplomat he "planned to travel overland to Kuwait and would call (his) family from there," Shannon said.


    Several days later, around April 12, the diplomat received an e-mail from Berg's family in West Chester, Pa., that "noted he had not been in contact," Shannon said. Staff members at the $30-a-night Al-Fanar Hotel in Baghdad told The Associated Press that Berg stayed there for several days until April 10.


    Berg's father, Michael Berg, said that although his son wanted to leave Iraq, he refused the flight offer because he thought the travel to the airport would be too dangerous. Attacks had taken place in the areas his son would need to drive through, Michael Berg said.


    On April 14, the U.S. consulate sent a private contractor to the Al-Fanar Hotel in Baghdad, where Berg was believed to be staying, to see whether he was still there.


    "The people we talked to at the hotel didn't remember him being there," Shannon said.


    Diplomats then alerted the U.S. military to be on the lookout for him.


    In Baghdad, U.S. spokesmen Dan Senor said that "to my knowledge" Berg was not affiliated with any U.S. or coalition organization, nor was he ever in U.S. custody.





    Iraqi police arrested Berg in Mosul on March 24 because local authorities believed he may have been involved in "suspicious activities," Senor said. He refused to elaborate, except to confirm that the Americans were aware Berg was in custody.

    Berg was released April 6 and "was advised to leave the country," Senor added. Instead, Berg checked into the Baghdad hotel.

    Mosul police chief Maj. Gen. Mohammed Khair al-Barhawi told reporters Thursday that his department had never arrested Berg.

    Since Iraq remains under U.S. military occupation, it seems unlikely that the Iraqi police would have held Berg, or any other American, for such a length of time without at least the tacit approval of U.S. authorities.

    "The Iraqi police do not tell the FBI what to do, the FBI tells the Iraqi police what to do," Michael Berg told the AP. "Who do they think they're kidding?"

    The younger Berg told his family that U.S. officials took custody of him soon after his arrest and he was not allowed to make phone calls or contact a lawyer, his father said.

    Kimmitt said U.S. forces kept tabs on Berg during his confinement to make sure he was being fed and properly treated because "he was an American citizen."

    But the three FBI visits suggest American authorities were concerned about more than Berg's well-being. They may have had their own suspicions about what the young American was doing in Iraq.

    During a briefing Wednesday, Senor confirmed that Berg had registered with the U.S. Consulate in Baghdad but insisted he "was not a U.S. government employee, he has no affiliation with the coalition and to our knowledge he has no affiliation with any Coalition Provisional Authority contractor."

    He also said Berg "was at no time under the jurisdiction or detention of coalition forces."

  • #2
    While I do feel terrible about what happened to the guy, there is no way that the U.S. government should be blamed, or that the guy's family should be allowed to sue. He was there of his own free will to make money. He risked his life for the big bucks that are there for anyone brave enough (or foolish enough) to conduct business in Iraq right now...and unfortunately, he got nabbed and paid the price.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by hitmansb
      While I do feel terrible about what happened to the guy, there is no way that the U.S. government should be blamed, or that the guy's family should be allowed to sue. He was there of his own free will to make money. He risked his life for the big bucks that are there for anyone brave enough (or foolish enough) to conduct business in Iraq right now...and unfortunately, he got nabbed and paid the price.
      exactly. I also found out a little while ago the guys dad has completly different views than his son. he is a left wing Bush basher. Hed rather play politics that go after the guys who actually killed his son(who in fact was for the war and agreed with President Bush and what we are doing over there.)

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      • #4
        All I know is that unless I'm a soldier - I'm not going into a conflict-torn country. I don't give a rat's ass who is fighting, who is winning, or who it's for.

        Berg took a chance with his life, and lost.

        Now after saying all of that....I think it's a good time to start treating Iraq like an occupied country, and less like a nursery. I'm no military tactician, but I think Marshal law would be a good start right now. Then I would make Iraq an unofficial province, and start sucking those wells dry and make the largest overseas US military base on the planet right there. If they don't like it - too bad, they shouldnt have lost.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Auriflex
          All I know is that unless I'm a soldier - I'm not going into a conflict-torn country. I don't give a rat's ass who is fighting, who is winning, or who it's for.

          Berg took a chance with his life, and lost.

          Now after saying all of that....I think it's a good time to start treating Iraq like an occupied country, and less like a nursery. I'm no military tactician, but I think Marshal law would be a good start right now. Then I would make Iraq an unofficial province, and start sucking those wells dry and make the largest overseas US military base on the planet right there. If they don't like it - too bad, they shouldnt have lost.

          Thats what Im talking about .Im tired of these high ass gas prices

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          • #6
            Regardless of what Berg did or did not do, it takes a real sick coward to kill a man like that- if you have to execute someone at least make it quick- I'm sure most people over there are more or less good people but there are obviously many who are being taught from birth to destroy anything and anyone who is not muslim- it's sad to think about all the little kids over there who will look at those losers who killed Berg as heroes and role models- another generation of children that we will have to fight years from now- I'll never forget after Sept. 11 seeing news footage of adults handing out candy to little kids to celebrate the twin towers going down-

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            • #7
              the country is a lost cause, pull out and let them start killing each other again.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by stonecold54
                the country is a lost cause, pull out and let them start killing each other again.
                :agree:

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Breeze
                  Regardless of what Berg did or did not do, it takes a real sick coward to kill a man like that- -
                  Definatly

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Breeze
                    I'm sure most people over there are more or less good people but there are obviously many who are being taught from birth to destroy anything and anyone who is not muslim
                    - I'll never forget after Sept. 11 seeing news footage of adults handing out candy to little kids to celebrate the twin towers going down-
                    the only good people out there are the dead ones.

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                    • #11
                      I still like the idea of making them a temporary province.

                      If you disagree with me, you are wrong.

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                      • #12
                        Re: my view of the Berg murder video

                        Originally posted by speedracer59 Our media is their best weapon. [/B]
                        Here's where I vent.....:
                        The media is fuckin' terrible. I'm so sick of the news I could throw up. I like knowing some details of what's happening in our country (the economy, the wars, crime) stuff like that. But they take shit that happens every fuckin' day and they talk about it for 10,000 years.

                        OJ Simpson, so fuckin' what he was a famous football player, that doesn't mean I want to hear about his trial everyday, 10 times a day, on 10 different channels, for a year straight.

                        Lacy Peterson, just your average ordinary everyday murder, with the old "dump them into the lake/ocean" trick. Probably happens a few times every single day.

                        Kobe Bryant, just another person claiming rape/assault/etc... on a famous person. Again, nothing special, nothing different, nothing EVERYONE in the nation should have to hear about everyday.

                        What's worse is that I believe the media gives bad ideas to people which are normally too stupid to think up something terrible on their own. For instance, stuff like the Columbine shootings. Now that 75 million kids have heard about them, how many of them do you think are completely fucked up and are thinking "That's EXACTLY what I need to do to the kids at my school."? --- How many terrorists around the world, see bombings and stuff like 9/11 and think "We need to do something like that, make an impact like that."?

                        I have nothing against a source for complete information on important events happening around the world. But I also don't believe stupid shit like Kobe Bryant should be on the news everyday. They first should've told us how it started, and then 1 year later (or whenever it ends) they should tell us the verdict, and THAT'S IT. The media shouldn't be run by a bunch of greedy motherfuckers that air the "juicy" personal shit of people's lives, just to profit from it, the media should be airing news that will impact most people. How many people's lives are impacted socially, or economically by Lacy Peterson? 10? 20? Certainly not millions. IMO the airtime would be better sent SAVING people's lives, talking about missing people or most wanted criminals.

                        Ok, I feel better now.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by stonecold54
                          the country is a lost cause, pull out and let them start killing each other again.
                          The sad part of this, is that they want to kill anyone who doesnt follow their religion. The "non believers" are those who should be killed, and frankly, if you arent one of them, then you are a target.

                          I hate how all of this is playing out. :(

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                          • #14
                            Im not convinced the video was real, Id venture to say its a fraud....

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by YellowJacket
                              Im not convinced the video was real, Id venture to say its a fraud....
                              You know I didn't want to say this but I have had these thoughts in the back in my mind. there is too much shit going on around this killing.

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