Doping to Win

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
Stone, your 100% incorrect bro. At that level they are all blessed with genetics for that certain sport. That makes it somewhat level. When you add something that someone else dosent, its cheating no matter what you say. There is no place for drugs in the Olympics. It is totally different in the world of bodybuilding because every top competitor is using.

I am saying that all sports are inherently unfair. Yes they all have good genetics to get to where the at but if you take all that group and compare their horomones levels some will be higher than others. there are always genetically superior people to even genetic superior people, so I don't believe there is an even playing field ever (in the terms they are trying to use), which is fine. But the whole point is that people want to see performance and that comes with enhancment. the olympians are already juiced to the gills and if anyone believes anything else then they are mistaken. I wish they would take all drugs out of the olympics and you would not see one new world record again and it would serve them right because they don't understand the nature of the games, which is to see what is humanly possible, which i think includes everything.

[Bouncer]

Originally posted by stonecold54
I am saying that all sports are inherently unfair. Yes they all have good genetics to get to where the at but if you take all that group and compare their horomones levels some will be higher than others. there are always genetically superior people to even genetic superior people, so I don't believe there is an even playing field ever (in the terms they are trying to use), which is fine. But the whole point is that people want to see performance and that comes with enhancment. the olympians are already juiced to the gills and if anyone believes anything else then they are mistaken. I wish they would take all drugs out of the olympics and you would not see one new world record again and it would serve them right because they don't understand the nature of the games, which is to see what is humanly possible, which i think includes everything.

I just dont agree. If someone has an advantage because of there genetics thats fine, its a natural advantage. Using drugs in the Olympics just isnt right IMO.

[Luftdude]

Speaking about this, I don't know if anyone of y'all have a shortwave radio, but at 1230 UTC, Radio Australia had a talk about this today and if you're lucky, they might repeat it.

LD

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
I just dont agree. If someone has an advantage because of there genetics thats fine, its a natural advantage. Using drugs in the Olympics just isnt right IMO.

I guess i was just taking it the extreme example that no two people are identical so to talk about a "fair playing field" does not make sense. I don't believe the olympics would exsist or be popular at all with clean athletes (about as appealing as a natural bodybuilding show).

[sana]

Originally posted by Luftdude
Speaking about this, I don't know if anyone of y'all have a shortwave radio, but at 1230 UTC, Radio Australia had a talk about this today and if you're lucky, they might repeat it.

LD

i didn't hear that, BUT i did hear a thing on NPR last night that was talking about doping in sports. and they talked about IGF-1 and that the only effective way to use it - is through GENE THERAPY. the researchers on there said that even if you stabbed yourself everyday with it, it won't do anything - your body has to be coaxed into making more by itself.

they said gene doping is the next step - and that it would be undetectable b/c you'd have to cut a piece of the athlete's muscle out to test it.

[Luftdude]

Lol, I guess I'm kind of old-fashioned. I don't listen to NPR. I listen to the world on shortwave. But whatever floats your boat, right?
One of the guys on the program was for it and the other was against it. And they were talking about they first started testing for it in '68 at the Mexico City Olympics.

LD

[rtee333]

A could have a higher output of test and favorable endocrine horomones that makes him/her perform at a higher level than B who is much below him genetically. So when they talk about a fair playing field it is not true because genetics does not allow a fair playing field, everyone is different. I just don't get it with some people. [/B][/QUOTE]
Right on brother!!! Gear levels the playing field. Period. It allows things to really be "fair"

[Puma]

No, no, no..

You can't have a competative sporting event that has no drug testing in this day and age.

It is just not fair to the people trying to win.. It places them in a situation where they MUST take big risks with their health in order to compete in the upper echelons of sports.. Now, many people would say this is already true, but can you imagine what would happen if everything was legal and freely available without any fear of drug testing..

Its just something that needs to be controlled.. I agree, genetics make for an unfair playing field.. But its NATURALLY unfair. You can't do anything, once your born, to fuck with your genes.. That's just the way you are..

Now, the real problem.. In 50 years, what happens when they can manipulate the genes in humans the way they have in cows.. Making the Belgum Blue people.. That's going to be a major problem..

Puma