what really happened @ the pentagon?

[JUICE]

wow

[Primal Instinct]

The lack of physical evidence and the suppression of video from I-395 traffic cameras have always weighed heavy on my mind. the impact hole doesn't match the size of the aircraft purported to strike the Pentagon, even though that one particular section of the building had been structurally reinforced just prior to the attack. No wings, no burn spots on the ground, and that 1 engine in the DOD released pics doesn't match the size of a 757 Rolls Royce or Pratt and Whitney engine. Both of those engine intakes are 8' across at the air intake opening. That engine definitely wasn't big enough because the size is betrayed by the FEMA guy standing next to it nor were they displayed to the public like near the WTC attack.

Here is a 757 engine from a plane crash in Switzerland:
http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/bts2937/10.jpg
Notice how large it is next to the man in the photo.



It has since been removed from the DOD site but I found the pic on a different site. Now compare it to the "Flight 77" 757 purported aircraft engine:
Pentagon engine (1 ) only





The other thing that bothers me greatly is that although the authorities released the voice recordings from the WTC planes from that day to the tower/passengers, they did NOT release the voice recordings from Flt 77, which hit the Pentagon. Keep in mind that although the government claimed not to find the WTC planes' "black boxes" but they did claim to find the black boxes from the Pentagon plane yet they refuse to release the recordings. or plane data. There is a serious lack of plane wreckage onsite as well. Where are the wings and tail if Keiser's argument stands that they sheared off and the cylinder collapsed? Remember, the building collapsed 20 minutes AFTER impact and there is no ground damage to the lawn like in every other plane wreck. Stuff like this would make their case stronger yet there is much evidential suppression. There are many valid questions that were not answered about this event.


Anyone that lives in the DC area could verify that I-395 and the Pentagon are pretty close together in proximity and that the Pentagon is nestled at a slightly lower elevation- somewhat protected by- the Interstate from a descending plane in that direction. A large jetliner travelling at over 350mph flown by inexperienced hijackers could barely miss the Interstate then drop down several feet (but not hitting the ground anywhere prior to the building impact) in such a short distance and hit the side of the Pentagon and not bounce off of the ground or even damage the Pentagon roof? No way.


The entry holes were also too small for a huge 757 because the wings and tail would have hit the sides and top of the building and destroyed a much larger area than was actually damaged. But the top remained intact for 20 minutes after impact until the resultant fires collapsed it. Here are the dimensions of a Boeing 757-200 from the Boeing Corporation website:
Boeing 757 aircraft dimensions

and to get an idea of how low to the ground it is when on landing gear (which would be up before impact) we look at this spec: Boeing 757 ground, wing and tail clearances:
757 Wing and ground clearances


Can anyone honestly say that a hijacker with no prior airliner piloting experience could pilot a 270,000 lb jetliner at 350+mph perfectly level at only 2.5 feet above the ground after avoiding crashing on the nearby I-395? Here is a picture using data from FEMA report that Purdue used to recreate the angle and attitude of the 757 that supposedly struck the Pentagon:
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/image....pentagon.jpeg


Does it look reasonable to you that this plane could hit perfectly at 350+mph without hitting the ground nor striking the top of the Pentagon roof with the tail? What the recreation doesn't show is how close in proximity that I-395 is to the building. You gotta admit, it's fishy...there was no lawn damage whatsoever onsite and the roof was not impacted but later collapsed due to fire. It's unreasonable to believe that this scenario actually happened as presented by FEMA and the DOD.




For comparison, let's look at the building dimensions of the Pentagon. From ground level to rooftop the building was: Height of building (ft.) 77' 3.5" figures from www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pentagon/facts.html

To hit it in the way that it did is just too precise, if you ask me. It reminds me of the precision of smart bombs that we saw targeting doorways or windows during Desert Storm and in this latest Iraq war.


A final eerie note: according to the Pentagon site listed above, initial constuction of the complex began in 1941- on 9/11. Creepy...it's destruction was exactly 60 years to the day it was built! Comments anyone?


PS..I don't know what exactly happened there but I certainly don't believe the "official" account. There is certainly a serious lack of evidence of a 757 strike there not to mention a severe suppression of evidence like the I-395 videos and the hotel & filling station videos. Why? It would make the government's case stronger and more credible. What is the reason for so much secrecy in this particular instance? Look at other airplane crashes for comparison on http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/ and you'll see a distinct difference in wreckage remnants and dispersion patterns. It does make you wonder...

Note: 350mph is a reasonable estimate of speed at impact based upon the plane's angle of descent. It was not a straight shot into the Pentagon. The pilot may have overshot primary target and then circled downward in a difficult to manuever spiral to present the correct angle for a side impact. When the pilot descends on final approach at straightaway, he will pickup some speed as he adjusts for lift by bringing the nose downward.

[Primal Instinct]

Kaiser,

The landing gear and one of the engines from the WTC planes were found several blocks away and it's speculated that you can actually see what might be them ejected from the 2nd tower strike. There was wreckage found onsite and in the surrounding nieghborhoods opposite the impact site.

[jmac2222]

Kaiser hit the nail on the head.
Fact: 4 planes full of people disappeared.
Fact: 2 crashed into the WTC,
Fact: 1 crashed in Penn.

Question? If a missle had hit the pentagon, then where did the 4th plane go?

[zachrulz]

yeah i just saw this cool video where there are dinosaurs on this island and if they don't get fed this special chemical then they die and all the female dinosaurs reproduce without having a male of the species. oh yeah wait that wasn't really what happened.....just because there is a video on the net doesn't make it real......there are alot of 18" pee-pees on the net too.:D

[bigcmonster]

http://www.amics21.com/911/mysterious.html

[redsquirrel]

So big c-

what are they speculating was attached to the planes?

Primal-

SERIOUSLY- WHEN ARE YOU RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT?

[Primal Instinct]

Originally posted by redsquirrel
So big c-

what are they speculating was attached to the planes?

Primal-

SERIOUSLY- WHEN ARE YOU RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT?

:rofl:

[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by Primal Instinct
:rofl:

:usa:

I'm dead serious!

[speedracer59]

It was aliens or bigfoot using his shoulder fired missle launcher.

[Bdubb]

I don't want to get into the theory of everything, but I suppose that it could have been possible that the air force shot down one of the planes and as a cover up launched a missle to the pentagon in order to avoid telling the public that the government shot down a commercial jet. Then you have to wonder about where it came down as well.

Whatever way you look at any of the views or theories there will always be gaps of some sort, IMO.

[bigcmonster]

There is no way a 757 smacked
into the Pentagon.

Its all very interesting!

[lordikon]

Originally posted by Primal Instinct
Here is a 757 engine from a plane crash in Switzerland:
http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/bts2937/10.jpg
Notice how large it is next to the man in the photo.



It has since been removed from the DOD site but I found the pic on a different site. Now compare it to the "Flight 77" 757 purported aircraft engine:
Pentagon engine (1 ) only

The piece in the picture from the pentagon isn't the shell of the engine like in the first picture, it's only a piece. If you look a jet engine, there are turbines, they look like fins, somewhat like a fan looks like, except 50 fins instead of 4-5. I'm guessing that piece in the picture is only a center piece of part of that engine.

But the evidence on the whole situation makes it incredibly hard to believe that it was a 747. Makes you wonder what being president would be like....think of the shit you would know, that you maybe wouldn't want to.

[jmac2222]

OK somebody please tell me where the 4th plane is.

If a missle hit the pentagon, where is the fourth plane?

[Puddles]

Originally posted by Primal Instinct
Can anyone honestly say that a hijacker with no prior airliner piloting experience could pilot a 270,000 lb jetliner at 350+mph perfectly level at only 2.5 feet above the ground after avoiding crashing on the nearby I-395?

What makes you think the hijackers were inexperienced pilots?


There are a lot of questions about this that will probably never be answered in our lifetime. For national security reasons as well as to cover up their own mistakes, the gov't hides all kinds of stuff. Probably for the best, we don't want our enemies knowing all of our weaknesses.