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  • What are you alls thoughts on this?

    I know this has been asked before, but what are the possibilites for them to bring back the draft. Who will qualify to go. Is this is fact, that they wont get the only guy on the family (like if there are 2 girls and one guy in children above 18 yers of age).







    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=694&ncid=716

    Kerry Warns Draft Possible if Bush Wins

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    By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - John Kerry (news - web sites) said Friday there is a "great potential" for a new military draft to replace overextended U.S. troops in Iraq (news - web sites) if President Bush (news - web sites) wins a second term, despite Bush's repeated pledges to maintain the all-volunteer service. Republicans rejected the suggestion as "fear mongering."


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    Bush and his Democratic challenger also sparred over jobs and other domestic issues as they campaigned through battleground states in the Midwest.


    At a rally in Milwaukee, Kerry said Bush was "out of ideas, out of touch and unwilling to change" and accused him of mishandling the economy. Bush, campaigning in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, called his rival an unrepentant liberal seeking to hide his record.


    Kerry raised the draft issue in an interview in The Des Moines Register published Friday.


    "With George Bush (news - web sites), the plan for Iraq is more of the same and the great potential of a draft. Because if we go it alone, I don't know how you do it with the current overextension" of the military, Kerry said.


    Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt dismissed Kerry's comments as "fear mongering" and suggested the Massachusetts senator was spreading "false Internet rumors."


    Kerry has suggested that Bush's heavy use of National Guard and Reserve troops has created a "backdoor draft." But his latest comments went further.


    Bush did not directly respond, but he said in Cedar Rapids that he was "modernizing and transforming our United States military to keep the all-volunteer army an all-volunteer army."


    In the second presidential debate, Bush said, "We're not going to have a draft, period." Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has made similar statements.


    The latest dispute over the draft came as a survey indicated that military families trust Bush over Kerry as commander in chief by 69 percent to 21 percent. Some 43 percent of the military sample said they were Republicans, 19 percent said they were Democrats and 27 percent independents.


    The margin for Bush was smaller, 50-41, among all Americans questioned by the National Annenberg Election Survey.


    Kerry focused on the economy as he began a bus tour of Wisconsin, telling a Milwaukee audience that Bush was "out of touch with the average American family" and that his policies on jobs and taxes favor the wealthiest Americans and special interests.


    After leaving Iowa, Bush too went to Wisconsin, speaking at a rally in Oshkosh.


    Iowa and Wisconsin are among a dozen or so states that both sides deem still in play. Others are Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Maine and Michigan.


    Both campaigns are polling in those and other states to detect any shift in the post-debate landscape — any opportunity to add or subtract from the battleground. Intrigued by public surveys showing Arkansas and Arizona close, Kerry's pollsters are calling voters in those two GOP-leaning states to see if they merit attention in the homestretch.


    Bush has virtually stopped advertising in Washington state and advisers privately concede that Oregon has moved comfortably to Kerry's side of the ledger. The Republican National Committee (news - web sites) was considering whether to begin advertising in New York City, one of the nation's most expensive media markets, to reach voters in surprisingly close New Jersey, a Democratic bastion.


    Bush's advisers say GOP polling since the debate has shown him gaining ground in key states. Kerry's advisers say their surveys have shown no change, though polls suggest that voters believe he won the three debates.





    Meanwhile, Kerry defended his reference to the sexual orientation of Mary Cheney during Wednesday's presidential debate. "It was meant as a very constructive comment, in a positive way," he told CNN.

    Both Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) and his wife Lynne have rebuked Kerry for referring to their openly gay daughter, and White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Friday the president also "does not believe it was appropriate."

    Asked how his comment was constructive, Kerry told CNN, "It's respectful of who she is. And they've embraced her and they love her. I have great respect for them for that. And it seems to me that was the point I was trying to make."

    In Milwaukee, Kerry said that Bush "either just doesn't understand...or just doesn't care" about the job losses during his term. Some 821,000 non-farm jobs have disappeared since Bush took office in January 2001, making him the first president since Herbert Hoover to see a net loss of jobs.

    "The bottom line is this: This economy has a bad case of the flu and we need a new medicine," Kerry said.

    Bush also focused on domestic issues in Iowa, claiming his tax-cuts were fueling a strong recovery and accusing Kerry of favoring "more centralized control and more government...There's a word for that. It's called liberalism."

    Polls show Bush and Kerry in close races in both Iowa and Wisconsin, two states that Democrat Al Gore (news - web sites) won narrowly four years ago.

    Bush and Kerry will launch fresh attacks in coming days. Bush will mock Kerry on his approach to terrorism, particularly his statement that he wants to reduce terrorism to a "nuisance," said Bush campaign communications director Nicolle Devenish. On Thursday, Bush will attack Kerry's health care plans, and throughout his travels, Bush will hammer Kerry's economic agenda, she said.

    Kerry will deliver speeches during the next week as his "closing argument" for the campaign. Topics will include Bush's "wrong choices" on the economy, the war on terror and health care, Kerry adviser Mike McCurry said. "You look at President Bush and you see nothing but wrong choices and mistakes that he refuses to acknowledge," McCurry told reporters. "You have to start wondering whether or not there's risk that he will repeat those mistakes over the next four years."
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  • #2
    Bro for the moment there shouldn't be any worries about being drafted at the moment anyhow. Kerry is using the draft issue as merely a ploy to get voters on his side, especially those who served during the 'Nam and their children as well as those who grew up during that era.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Megiddo
      Bro for the moment there shouldn't be any worries about being drafted at the moment anyhow. Kerry is using the draft issue as merely a ploy to get voters on his side.

      thats what i ws thinking and thats what we were discussing here at my house.

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      • #4
        yeah there would be a mutiny against the govt if they reinstated the draft.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by stonecold54
          yeah there would be a mutiny against the govt if they reinstated the draft.
          :agree: I'd lead it.

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          • #6
            They still have the Inactive reserve to resort to before they'd do that. When I went in the infantry, they were handing out 12,000 dollar bonuses. In 2002, there were 20,000 dollar bonuses. I don't even know what it is now.

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            • #7
              George W is going to need a lot of troops to invade Iran and North Korea.

              Of couse, in a year or two when the economy has tanked, he will have lots of unemployed to draft as cannon fodder.

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              • #8
                The resolution in Congress to re-instate the draft was sponsered by non other than Charley Rangle, one of the most liberal Democrats. I think he put that out there knowing it would be soundly defeated but used as a scare tactic to make people think it was a possibility.

                This was purely politics. Both candidates have stated they will not re-instate the draft. It just isn't happening.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gary
                  George W is going to need a lot of troops to invade Iran and North Korea.

                  Of couse, in a year or two when the economy has tanked, he will have lots of unemployed to draft as cannon fodder.
                  You won't need ANY troops if we tried to invade Korea. Those crazy bastards have and WILL use nukes. All we'll need is someone who can push the buttons to launch counter strikes. Iran, big deal, just bomb the shit out of them if necessary. Leave the troops where they belong on this one, in the rear with the gear. The draft will NEVER happen again. First of all, you won't be able to discriminate, they'll have to draft females too, and you know that'll go over like a lead baloon. Secondly, you're right, IF the economy takes a giant fall, all you have to do is up the enlistment and re-up bonuses, and the Gov. will be turning people away---If the bonuses are big enough. BB

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                  • #10
                    The back door draft is shitty enough.

                    Many people join the National Guard to serve and protect their state and/or nation. But then they get activated for 14-18 months and sent AWAY from there home state/family. They get sent off to Iraq to protect and serve IRAQ!

                    - Inactive reserve. These are the guys who signed up for a 4 r 6 year contract of active time. But the fine print says they have to serve another 2-4 years of inactive time. I can tell you this many of those who got out should be out. Plus they wanted out so do you think they will be 100% motovated?

                    -Many of the Army and Marines on active duty are getting burned out. PTSD just like Nam is a major problem. PTSD is post tramatic stress. ie waking up at night crawling on the floor. Those on active duty want to not get deployed again. Those that can are getting out. Those with bills, fat lazy wife, kids, no job skills, these are some of the one that stay in. A few hard chargers do but they are a few.

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                    • #11
                      I dont think there should be any drafts per se, but if the US and Canada adopted a provision that everyone who turns 18 must serve 2 years of miltary service for thier country like they do in some other countries I would say yes.

                      I think it would do alot for the younger people to have to go thru this so they can learn disipline and respect on all levels of life.

                      I sure wish this was the case when I was 18 nevermind the fact looking back I would have joined myself if i could do it all over again

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Milly
                        I dont think there should be any drafts per se, but if the US and Canada adopted a provision that everyone who turns 18 must serve 2 years of miltary service for thier country like they do in some other countries I would say yes.

                        I think it would do alot for the younger people to have to go thru this so they can learn disipline and respect on all levels of life.

                        Unfortunately that will never happen as well. Not to get off topic here, the problem with the U.S. as comapred to other nations is that we have no national pride. We are a country of 230 million people whose only common bond is the generic idea of liberty. We have a psuedo common language but that is slowly eroding as more and more immigrants come to the U.S. If we came together as a nation, if there was some national bond holding us together then we would be strong again. Unfortunately I don't see tha thappening too soon.

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