So you think it's about time we get rid of the electoral college?

[Timma]

I do. I mean with it being this close the past two times, why do I bother to vote. It's always up to the other states. Why does the presidential election need to be different than local elections?

[Cory]

It's such a crock of shit. We don't really live in a completely free country. Government controls everything.

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by Cory
It's such a crock of shit. We don't really live in a completely free country. Government controls everything.

that was a little off topic but I agree :D .

Anyone think we are going to have another civil war soon? LOL- the country is almost 50/50 on everything. in the future when our country is broke and taxes around 50% I wonder who will fire the first shot.

[dreamgirl]

I don't understand why we have the electoral college at all. The popular vote does sound more fair.

[rvgfrth4g]

Originally posted by Cory
It's such a crock of shit. We don't really live in a completely free country. Government controls everything.

Then go live somwhere else if you like this nation. LOL

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by BigRed54
Then go live somwhere else if you like this nation. LOL

we shouldn't have to. This is SUPPOSE to be a free country and the mere fact that the government has stolen all my rights does not mean I leave. It means THEY leave.

[Timma]

A bit off topic here but what i really hate is how republicans are so against gays. I was hearing that a govenor or something was saying that gays people should not be allowed to teach in public schools. What the fuck does being gay have to to with that. I hate the government.

[Cory]

Originally posted by BigRed54
Then go live somwhere else if you like this nation. LOL

I love this nation, but if each vote is counted individually and one candidate wins by the popular vote, but the other candidate wins by the electoral vote, I say WTF? It doesn't represent what the American people really want by a whole majority. This was the case in 2000 with Gore and Bush. Gore won the popular vote.

[Cory]

Originally posted by Timma
A bit off topic here but what i really hate is how republicans are so against gays. I was hearing that a govenor or something was saying that gays people should not be allowed to teach in public schools. What the fuck does being gay have to to with that. I hate the government.

Exactly...they are determined to make this country move backwards, not forward in progress and thinking. The country is gonna be nothing but a bunch of dumb hicks soon. lol :D

[bad14u]

Originally posted by Cory
I love this nation, but if each vote is counted individually and one candidate wins by the popular vote, but the other candidate wins by the electoral vote, I say WTF? It doesn't represent what the American people really want by a whole majority. This was the case in 2000 with Gore and Bush. Gore won the popular vote.

:agree: We do not vote directly for our president. We vote for electors to vote for the president. There are 538 people, or electors, who make up the Electoral College. Each state gets one elector for each member of the House of Representatives (435) and the Senate (100); the District of Columbia gets three electors. Each elector, guided by the state's popular vote, is expected to vote for his or her own party when the electors meet in December. In 24 states the electors are not even bound by law to the popular vote of their state!

[Cory]

Its so screwed up it's almost as if it doesn't matter if you vote because its so fixed anyway. :(

[Timma]

I've made some predictions for the next four years. We're gonna have a new VP, cause Cheney's gonna die. There will be another terrorist attack. we are gonna hit a big recession.

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by Timma
I've made some predictions for the next four years. We're gonna have a new VP, cause Cheney's gonna die. There will be another terrorist attack. we are gonna hit a big recession.

and I predict people will still think that THEIR party can fix the problems. man Timma you sure stirred up a shit pot. LOL

[Cory]

Originally posted by Timma
I've made some predictions for the next four years. We're gonna have a new VP, cause Cheney's gonna die. There will be another terrorist attack. we are gonna hit a big recession.

There is gonna be some major things that are gonna happen in this country that are gonna make people have to really change their ways of thinking. People are not going to be able to live these decadent lifestyles anymore.

[Megiddo]

Government Lesson:

Back when the nation was being founded, there were two guys who had disagreeing ideas on exactly what type of government we should have. Alexander Hamilton wanted a represenative democracy because he felt that A) the people of the nation were not informed enough to make decisions in the governement, and B) he forsaw that the U.S. would encompass the enitre continent eventually.

On the other side we had this guy named Thomas Jefferson who wanted a popular democracy. T.J. beleived in the common man and felt that that every landholding citizen should have a voice in government.

As the founding fathers debated on how the country should be run and all that jazz, they came upon how the president should be elected into office. Hamilton and his followers wanted Congress to do the job while Jefferson and his followers wanted the people to elect the President, an office that has no more power than any other branch of government.

After much bickering, fighting, debating, and drinking, a compromise was met on both sides. The President would be elected by both the people and Congress. How is this you may ask? Well it's quite simple. Each state has a group of appointed officials known as electors. The state has a number of electors equal to its number of House reps and Senators. When election time comes up the people vote for who they want to be president. The popular vote in each state influences the states electoral votes who are turned in on the thursday after the election day. Does this mean that your vote does not count? No it doesn't. Your votes count in the influence of the electoral vote.

The electoral college is the creation of compromise which makes this nation great. We compromise to become better. Of course right now it isn't about compromise or patriotism but pride. Kerry knows he lost but he won't concede to that fact.

ANy questions? Test next Monday.