Who Discovered America?

[blm]

I still want to understand the biblical time scale. I can't find anything on it (I'm obviously entering the wrong search parameters).

[Megiddo]

Originally posted by Puddles
Something I learned on my field trip to St. Augustine was that when the Europeans discovered "The Fountain of Youth" one thing they noticed was that the Native American Indians were quite larger than they were and they thought it had something to do with the water they drank. Later it was discovered, for practical purposes (larger people were stronger, etc.), over many decades, the larger men and women were matched up together to produce larger offspring and encouraged them to have more children and the smaller people to have less. As time went on simple genetics took over and the population of these people were all big men and women.

Actually the Floridan natives were larger than the Spaniards because they were in a hunter-gatherer society thus the populatin was smaller meaning more food as compared to the Europeans. The Floridan natives also had an abundance of protein sources and we all know what protien is good for.

On the idea of pair matching, that was done during the slave trade to get a strong slave that was not intellectually astute.


As for the main topic, Noone really knows who was here first. Columbus' discovery is more of a discovorance of natural resources and territory for Spain. I can tell you that Homo Sapiens Sapiens has been around for over 100K years and has only been "civilized" for 10-15K.

[blm]

Originally posted by Megiddo
only been "civilized" for 10-15K.

I'm finding that there is significant evidence that implies otherwise. Anywhere from 20-60k.

[therock]

On CBS they said that the Vikings were the ones that discovered America b4 anyone. There is a map that proves it. It was a very interesting show they had. At first they thought the map was fake but then when experts themselves were split on if it was a fake map or real, they started to believe. I think there was like 8 experts that checked out the map and only 2 said it was a hoax. But the interesting thing is that the 2 that said it was a hoax also said, that they werent a 100% sure if it was. Anyone else see this about 2wks ago?

[Shibby]

Originally posted by blm
Another common misconception. In the past those explorers were credited for it. However, modern dating systems of archaeological evidence show that it was inhabited long before they arrived to already find indigenous people there.

Ok, but was it named after Vespuci?

[Megiddo]

Originally posted by blm
I'm finding that there is significant evidence that implies otherwise. Anywhere from 20-60k.

I would like to see that evidence. 60K years ago, humans were still hunting for food and living in small family units. I have yet to see any evidence to contradict that. 20k years ago, humans are slowly forming inot larger bands with a little bit of domestication of planta nad animals but are still considered hunter gatherers. By about 15K years ago, humans become agriculuturalists necessitating the need for villiages ----->towns------->cities. between 1o and 12K years ago, cities are starting to be created from the viliages and towns that became centers of trade. 20K years ago, I might be able to believe, but 60K no way man.

Rock: THe Vikings are considered the first Euroeans to discover the AMericas and there is archelogical evidence to support this. The map you are talking about probably details the North American continent from Newfoundlans to Florida. Some consider it a hoax while others, myself included, feel that the Norse may have sailed as far as Florida as they were great explorers and seamen. Unfortunately there is no evidence to support any Norse settlements south of New York as no artifacts have ever been recovered.

When it comes to a discovery, every culture will become ethnocentric and cliam they found it first. For 400 hundred years Columbus discored America, then came the Norse, then the Olmec Africans (Based on Olmec stone carvings of soldiers and everyday life, ethnically they resemble Africans and not Mesoamericans) and Of course the Indians. As more and more dicoveries are made about the origins of man, we will find out that we have a long and dark past that we will never fully know.



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[Primal Instinct]

Originally posted by blm
I'm finding that there is significant evidence that implies otherwise. Anywhere from 20-60k.

a quick search found this:
"MAP IV—MIGRATION ROUTES OF EARLY MAN TO NORTH AMERICA


(figure available in print form)
It would seem logical to assume that the early immigrants to these shores came as hunters pursuing large game. From the evidence of the mammals which the first arrivals hunted and the geological background of the time when they arrived we may date the entry of humans, the Paleo-Indian, into America around 40,000 years ago."


Link Looks like a decent read to me...

[Breeze]

Re: Who Discovered America?

Originally posted by blm
You know I've been reading some interesting material pertaining to this and it amazes me how we refuse to accept hard evidence and therfore change curriculums. Damn conservatives. Hell we celebrate Columbus day and he didn't discover anything except Native Americans already settled.

It appears based on archaeological evidence that Asians migrated to the Americas over the Bering Straight. Due to glaciers, the water level receeded and created a land bridge thus allowing hunter-gatherers to migrate and follow the animals. This dates back nearly 13,000 years (the Clovis people).

Interesting stuff, eh?

Of course Columbus discovered America, I learned that in school.:D Just because there were already millions of natives here is no reason to deny ol' Chris of his big discovery. I can just picture Columbus and his shipmates landing on a beach with a bunch of Indians standing there wondering where in the hell this big ship full of strange people came from, with no idea of what was in store for them, starting with lots of new diseases. Some historians estimate that well over half of North America's population died as a result of early epidemics brought from early Europeans. There is a also a theory that Vikings may have landed here and set up a few settlements hundreds of years before Colombus showed up.

[therock]

Originally posted by Megiddo
I would like to see that evidence. 60K years ago, humans were still hunting for food and living in small family units. I have yet to see any evidence to contradict that. 20k years ago, humans are slowly forming inot larger bands with a little bit of domestication of planta nad animals but are still considered hunter gatherers. By about 15K years ago, humans become agriculuturalists necessitating the need for villiages ----->towns------->cities. between 1o and 12K years ago, cities are starting to be created from the viliages and towns that became centers of trade. 20K years ago, I might be able to believe, but 60K no way man.

Rock: THe Vikings are considered the first Euroeans to discover the AMericas and there is archelogical evidence to support this. The map you are talking about probably details the North American continent from Newfoundlans to Florida. Some consider it a hoax while others, myself included, feel that the Norse may have sailed as far as Florida as they were great explorers and seamen. Unfortunately there is no evidence to support any Norse settlements south of New York as no artifacts have ever been recovered.

When it comes to a discovery, every culture will become ethnocentric and cliam they found it first. For 400 hundred years Columbus discored America, then came the Norse, then the Olmec Africans (Based on Olmec stone carvings of soldiers and everyday life, ethnically they resemble Africans and not Mesoamericans) and Of course the Indians. As more and more dicoveries are made about the origins of man, we will find out that we have a long and dark past that we will never fully know.



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Thanks bro, helps me understand it more. It interesting to know that our origin is keeped from us. I wonder what we dont know.

[Puddles]

I'm enjoying this thread. :)

[Megiddo]

Originally posted by Puddles
I'm enjoying this thread. :)

I'm enjoying looking at your avatar

[blm]

Originally posted by Megiddo
I would like to see that evidence.

20K years ago, I might be able to believe, but 60K no way man.

As more and more dicoveries are made about the origins of man, we will find out that we have a long and dark past that we will never fully know.

-As would I. I was just merely stating what I read (I wish I could find the site...I guess that speaks volumes, lol).

-Clovis (as far as I know) is the most well documented/oldest settlers of the Americas (12k). There is a lot of focus on pre-Cloivs (20k), but there is not enough solid/abundant evidence. Clovis left tracks from Asia to North America (tools, hunting weapons, etc..). So that theory is easy to support.

-I agree with that. My point of this thread is discuss this topic. I obviously don't know who discovered America, but I like to repeat some of the things I have read and that I am reading, as well as here every other persons views/knowledge on the subject.

[blm]

Tom Dillehay of the University of Kentucky, director of the Monte Verde,Chile excavations suggests based on findings there that America was settled as long as 30k yrs ago.

[Shibby]

How did the America's get there name?

[blm]

Originally posted by Shibby
How did the America's get there name?

It was named after Amerigo Vespucci after letters that he wrote to the Medicis. He arrived there (as a navigator, not explorer) after Columbus, but because he created more of a stir with his stories and the fact that his family was very well to do and well known, it was named after him. Why?