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  • OH, BOY . . . WHAT AM I GETTING INTO?

    First things first. I have to say that this site is just about the coolest thing on the net. Everybody (well, nearly everybody) is knowledgable, helpful and interesting. There are always things to learn, things to look forward to reading about.

    Another thing that makes SuperiorMuscle stand out is that people respect each other, more or less. As a gay bodybuilder, when I first came across this site, I thought sure that I'd find it peppered with a lot of homophobic hate speech, name calling, etc. I was blown away not to see it; even when "gay" came up as a subject, those that were uncomfortable or genuinely disintersted passed and went on to something else. Let me say that *that* kind of behavior is rare and very, very commendable. I salute all of you and thank you for operating above the normal level of suspicion and schoolyard bully namecalling.

    This brings up a topic that has generated a good deal of thought and discussion among several of my BB friends at the gym (male and female, gay and straight). One guy's girlfriends said she thought bodybuilding was an inherently gay sport. She didn't mean that those who lift, build, compete or otherwise engage in bodybuilding is gay, but that, given its particular parameters, it has all the ingredients for it to be followed by gay men and/or lesbians. Her guidelines were as follows:

    -- Men go to a gym to build and improve their bodies to a high level of perfection (or the desire for perfection).

    -- Lifters/builders, per necessity, often wear clothing that shows off their progress/develoments (in the gym and in "real life").

    -- Lifters/builders enjoy and even desire attracting attention to themselves via their developed bodies. Some go to extreme lengths to obtain such attention, mostly from straight females, but some crave it from the general population, i.e., anyone who will look and be impressed by their body.

    -- Competitors enter bodybuilding contests where the main event is to mount a stage where the sole activity is to stand, wearing only a few square inches of cloth, and pints of tanning stuff and oil, so that people -- anyone -- can stare at and critique their body. This was the clencher for the girlfriend; nothing could be more tailormade to a gay physique devotee than to attend a contest, gaze upon and make decisions on a man's body. A step down from that is the gym environment -- gay guys are attracted to the same thing a straight women is attracted to, in this case, a well-built male body.

    She went on to say that it drove her boyfriend crazy to have gay men look at him, and that he was a bodybuilder only for himself, his girlfriend and, when pushed to admit it, other women. But she repeatedly told him that he didn't have (couldn't possibly have!) the right to pick and choose who would look at him and make either mental judgments or vocal ones. Further, she said it was a free country and it was silly of him to think that he could look like he does (huge and cut nearly year round, plus he's considered extremely handsome) and not expect lots of people -- gay and/or straight, male and/or female -- to look at him

    Such a loaded assumption couldn't lie still and everyone chimed in. Not surprisingly, a lot of straight guys disagreed, but more than a few thought it a valid statement. Same with the gay gym members. The women were almost unanimous in agreeing with the original girlfriend. Granted, we live and workout in San Francisco, a very liberal city that prides itself in the motto "live and let live". Even straight guys who, for some reason, may have some kind of beef with gay men, seem to follow the creed, so the opinions and enviroment may not be the same as what we sometimes refer to as "the real world".

    Whew -- it's been quite a month on the workout floor. I would imagine that those who dip into this site have more than a few strongly-held and well-though-out opinions on this subject.

  • #2
    I don't follow how it makes it an inherently gay sport. From your discription it would be more of an Alpha male sport.

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    • #3
      I think it's a sport that would attract gays but it says nothing about its participants. I agree with Shibby, alpha males like to be the center of attention--that doesn't says anything about their sexuality.

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      • #4
        Fag!

        just kidding I couldnt resist.

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        • #5
          bbing isnt a gay sport at all. You can admire a physique without it being sexual admiration. However, BBing used to play a huge role in gay culture; an overly scrawny physique was one of the tell tale signs of aids, so lots of gay guys would go on roids and workout non stop to look healthy and aids free.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by phatchopper
            Fag!

            just kidding I couldnt resist.
            lol, someone had to do it- no offense pecster

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            • #7
              huh?

              I have competed many times in my life and have gotten the look for both sides of the fence. I am fine with that... I work out and build muscle for myself and for others to look at an enjoy... Nothing wrong with that unless you have a hang up///... I don't find bbing to be a gay sport...I see it as a sport that others get to admire your hard work...

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              • #8
                Back in the early part of the sport, like 1940-1960 it was considered odd and many bb were assumed gay by society. It held that stigma for many years. When it finally went mainstream, it lost the stigma as a gay sport.

                This chick sounds like she has a lot of opinions, but very little reasoning skills.

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                • #9
                  Re: huh?

                  Originally posted by giveitup
                  I have competed many times in my life and have gotten the look for both sides of the fence. I am fine with that... I work out and build muscle for myself and for others to look at an enjoy... Nothing wrong with that unless you have a hang up///... I don't find bbing to be a gay sport...I see it as a sport that others get to admire your hard work...
                  ive never competed not yet, amy till the summer but I agree with u bro.

                  I bodybuild for me, since i was a skinny guy before. I do it for myself. If people from both sexes stare I dont mind, I see it more of an art. Something not everyone has the patience and time to do. When I compete in the near future im gonna do it for me and try to be at my best and even be the best against my competition. I dont see it as a gay sport at all cause both man and women do it to either look better or feel better about themselves.

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                  • #10
                    I can see how people not involved in bb'ing would see it as a gay/lez sport. The men dressed in so little on stage, all clean shaven, women with more mass than most average men...it's just how society is, people always pass judgement on what they don't understand.

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                    • #11
                      I think once you participate in the sport for some time (more than a month), then my guess is that you will find that "gay" just isn't how you would describe the sport of bb or most of its participants. Unless you mean happy has a clam :)

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                      • #12
                        not gay

                        well you have to understand a whole lot of "gay for pay' use dto go on and withs ome high level athletes, fot money and "supplements', often thes eguys paying were called "sponors"........ I think forthe most part rec bodybuilders you dont see this in, or a large amount of the pro's really but it has and does happen.

                        As for gay people looking at me, i do it for me, cool it attaracts women too, but for me, if a chick or guy says man you look good or whatever......... it doe snot bother me, gay people can do whatever gay people do just dont invade my space or go too far is the way I feel......... i mean i used to party a lot and some times we'd hit these after partys at what were mainly gay clubs, all the striipper girls were there so i was there hanging with them, i used to get a guy now and then come up to me, it wa sfunny they would always be like "you are straight right ?" , YEP I SAY, "o.k. well I thought so, well you look hot anyway, have a goo dnight" is iusually how it went, didnt bother me and was funny the strippers i was with seemed to be all the more over me since i did not big out about it

                        HEY COWGIRL, is that you in that pic ? if it is props to you, you look damn hot little lady !

                        -DOC

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                        • #13
                          Good one, phatchopper!

                          Again, I'm blown away (if you'll forgive the term) by all your comments. I find it frustrating to continually hear of only the gay/straight friction out there, especially in the gym. In light of your well thought out replies, this is doubly sad, since there's obviously a whole slice of society that couldn't care less about someone's sexuality. I was especially taken by the simply desire for people to respect each other -- it's all cool as long as everyone's polite to the other person, and sensitve to their individuality, gay or straight. In other words, gay guys, don't just look at a well-built guy as a slab of beef waiting for your personal attention. And staight folks, don't automatically dismiss and ridicule a gay person, thinking we all lisp and mince around -- in my experience, that's far rarer than a lot of people would imagine. Attention to someone and admiration and respect for the hard work they've done during countless hours in the gym is, I feel, universal, and to add the sometimes tarnished veneer of unwanted sexual advances isn't just rude, it's unfair.

                          Thank you all again for showing me there's yet hope for the world!

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                          • #14
                            Here's another thought, Pecster. Since BB is still somewhat marginalized in society, and alot of people don't understand why we do what we do, I think alot of us learn what it's like to be different (in a good way!) and that may account for our ability to tolerate differences. Sadly, it's people who are always surrounded by people they perceive as the same as them that don't need/try to understand or appreciate differences.

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