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***Bouncer*** · 03-23-05, 03:54 PM

Re: question on terri schiavo

Originally posted by dreamgirl

My QUESTION IS: What is the other side? Why would you want to take her feeding tube out? Am i not seeing the other side correctly?

I agree with you that the husband should just let the family do what they want.

As far as the other side. I dont know about you but I sure as fuck wouldnt want to live my life like that, would you? Your sitting there in a chair, you cant do anything for yourself. What kind of life is that?

**Scrumhalf** · 03-23-05, 04:14 PM

Re: question on terri schiavo

Originally posted by dreamgirl

I don't understand why the husband wouldn't just divorce her and let her parents make decisions for her... especially since they feel so strongly.

You seem to suggest that the husband is some third party and not her family and somehow does not feel strongly about the welfare of his wife.

Maybe he loves her very much and wants her to die in peace, especially as she indicated that she would not want to be kept alive artificially.

I would think that based on the preponderance of medical opinion on this, the husband's wish is the humane approach.

**beefcake** · 03-23-05, 04:28 PM

He has nothing to gain or lose from her dying. He has no reason to lie about her telling him that she wouldn't want to live that way? No one would want to live that way.

**dreamgirl** · 03-23-05, 04:28 PM

Re: Re: question on terri schiavo

Originally posted by Scrumhalf
Maybe he loves her very much and wants her to die in peace, especially as she indicated that she would not want to be kept alive artificially.

The only reason I dispute this is that he has a gf and kids with her, he's seemed to moved on (it's been 15 years now). She also never indicated a DO NOT RESESITATE and if she did, it was never in writing. After her lack of oxygen to her brain, the hospital tried to implant something and it caused her then to be in the state she is in now. She was awarded a $1.4 million malpractice suit... this was to pay for her rehab which her husband didn't send her too. There's a lot to read about and I just did on her website.

BTW-- She only needs a feeding tube to be alive and is breathing on her own.

So what I am getting from you guys is that the other side is like Mercy Death...

this is all really depressing me thinking about this... :(

**Bdubb** · 03-23-05, 04:29 PM

I want to research more into it, but I heard some coworkers say that the family offered the husband money to divorce her, as well as, the husband supposedly tried to kill her by injecting insulin at some point in time.

Keep in mind this was only heard from co-workers and the truth of it could be anything. Just food for thought.

***Bouncer*** · 03-23-05, 04:33 PM

I have 1 question for you dreamgirl. If you were in her position, would you want to live or die?

**dreamgirl** · 03-23-05, 04:58 PM

honestly, live - her brain somehow works...

I know this goes against my religion but I believe that we have 1 life and when you die, that's it... I have a hard time believing that there is a heaven or hell. So if this is my one life, I'd rather live it this way. I could see my kids grow up even if I couldn't communicate with them, I could still see them and know. -- OK, now I am getting teary eyed thinking about this... ugh

**Scrumhalf** · 03-23-05, 05:12 PM

I don't think there is any evidence that Terry Schiavo can comprehend her environment and make sense of it. In fact, all medical indications are that she has no such ability. So you may be reaching when you say that you would like to live to see your children grow up, even if you couldn't talk to them - I don't think your brain would have the ability to process that information.

The part of her brain responsible for core functions like heartbeat and breathing is still working, but the rest of her brain related to processing sensory stimuli in a human way is kaput. That is why her condition is called a vegetative state - clearly the brain has not been given the signal to turn off the lights, so she is still alive in a technical sense but that's about it.

**bowbow** · 03-23-05, 05:21 PM

Have you looked at her? Do you see her looking at people or just stairing into space? Nothing is getting through to her. Let her go.

**blm** · 03-23-05, 05:42 PM

Her family offered Michael Shiavo 1 million dollars to give them gaurdianship over Terry. He declined to accept it so he could honor his wifes verbal dying wishes to him. He has nothing to gain out of this except honoring his wifes wishes. Her parents continuously claim abuse towards the husband, but they are the ones that for the third time want the tube reinserted. That just makes it worse. Nunmerous doctors and specialists have declared that there is not chance of her coming out of her "persistant vegetative state" a functional human being. She is brain dead. Period. The media shows one clip over and over where she blinks, to play on the sympathy of people, like she is coherent. The doctors have observed her for hundreds of hours over the last 15 year and they all agree that she is not coherent, but brain dead. I wish they would stop tying up the court systems with this crap and just let the woman die with some dignity.

This story has taken over the media to where it is becoming a political platform for Republicans. The same time this new dispute started, there was a 9 year old girl abducted, raped, and murdered, but it took a back seat to all of this other shit regarding Terry Shiavo.

**JUICE** · 03-23-05, 06:05 PM

i dont know what to say, but this is sad. I wouldnt wanna see anyone going through pain in both sides. The husband as in seeing his wife just there, able to do nothing. And the poor girl just there. I wish I had the power to make her walk again and live a normal life.

**hitmansb** · 03-23-05, 06:24 PM

Not to sound cold, but who the fuck is paying for this? It's a waste of damn money to keep a vegetable alive. If insurance is picking up the tab on hopeless cases like this, then it's costing everyone in the form of higher premiums. If the state is picking up the tab, then it's a waste of tax dollars. If someone has no chance to recover, the damn plug should be pulled, end of story.

If I was lying in a hospital bed like that, I'd want the plug pulled the very minute they knew I'd never recover.

**beefcake** · 03-23-05, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by hitmansb
If I was lying in a hospital bed like that, I'd want the plug pulled the very minute they knew I'd never recover.

Put it in writing bro, cause apparently that's the whole problem here.

**mcalo4** · 03-23-05, 07:01 PM

Theres been numerous times when my wife and I have been sitting around and seen someone like terri, and even watching the coverage on Terri, and said to each other " if any thing like that ever happens to me please pull the plug." I've asked friends and they said they've had the same conversation with their wives. And we talked about this years ago before this incident with terri happened.

My point is that it seems that this topic of discussion is pretty common among couples and I'm sure terri and her husband have seen some pour person living like a vegetable and turned to eachother and said "if that ever happens to me, let me go."

So maybe he's just trying to make good on his promise.

That just goes to show, put that shit in writing.

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