Biblical Question

[bad14u]

Originally posted by bonebreaker
Creationism vs. Evolution, um, um um. I'll say no more, other than the fact that I believe in the evolution theory of man. Creationism just doesn't add up in the time line of found fossils of our ancestors and the history, (time wise), of the Adam and Eve story, based on the age of the Earth etc. BB

In the beginning...since the beginning of time...before time began, so far back in the recesses of God's mind that we cannot and should not be able to, imagine it...which brings to mind the subject of how long the earth has been here, or how long there has been life on the earth....the theory of evolution suggests that the earth and life have been here for millions of years...those who want to believe that the Creation story, the story of Adam and Eve, is the Truth about how everything got started, these folks believe that in the beginning would refer to a time about ten thousand years ago...without going into lots of data that suggest evolution as the truth, I think we cannot say too often that both positions can be valid: the story of Adam and Eve contains the deepest of truths about God's creation, about what it is to be human, about humanity's relationship to the Creator...and this almighty and sovereign Creator could just as easily have created his beloved human race through evolution.

[spidey]

OK, let me see if I can break it down. First, let me say I am a scientist and do not suscribe to creationism. However, for those that do believe........

Adam and Eve were the first humans. Everyone, including cavemen and even Jesus himself (through his mother, Mary), decended from them. You ask at what point Christianity "made up" the story of Adam and Eve. Well, Christian beliefs extend to before the time of Jesus himself. Namely, the Old Testament. A more proper term would be Judeo-Christian Beliefs. Christianity is a derivative of Judaism. Indeed, Jesus himself was a Jew.

It kind of goes like this: Before Jesus, there was of course no Christianity. There was Judaism (several thousand years old at the time of Jesus' birth). In the time Jesus was on the earth, a group of people splintered off from main line Judaism and followed Jesus. After his death, the movement grew and evolved into what is today Christianity. Since the roots of Christianity lay in Judaism, the Jewish scriptures were (from the beginning) kept as sacred text. Even today, Christians still believe the Old Testament is part of the bible and is sacred/divinely inspired. In this way, Christianity reaches back in time from BEFORE Jesus was born. Thus, the story of Adam and Eve.

[Jordan]

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[JUICE]

sorry shibbster to hijack this thread but didnt wanna start a new one since this goes with the topic a bit.

Do u all believe in this guy, that hes gonna come one day and try to take over. The Anti-Christ.

http://members.aol.com/twarren13/antichr.html

http://religion-cults.com/antichrist/

as in do all religions talk about this in the books(bibles).

[lookin 4 juice]

Originally posted by JUICE
sorry shibbster to hijack this thread but didnt wanna start a new one since this goes with the topic a bit.

Do u all believe in this guy, that hes gonna come one day and try to take over. The Anti-Christ.

http://members.aol.com/twarren13/antichr.html

http://religion-cults.com/antichrist/

as in do all religions talk about this in the books(bibles).

I have read the bible a few times and there is no mention of an antichrist....there is the devil as stated in the book of revelation and jesus will battle the devil..... as for an antichrist in the form of a human.... dont think so.

[Pumpdogg]

Originally posted by lookin 4 juice
I have read the bible a few times and there is no mention of an antichrist....there is the devil as stated in the book of revelation and jesus will battle the devil..... as for an antichrist in the form of a human.... dont think so.

I The word "Antichrist " is used 4 different times in the bible and "Antichrists" is used once

1st John 2:18.......Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1st John 2:22.......Who is a liar that but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1st John 4:3..... And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2nd John 1:7........ For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

All scripture is quoted from the King James Version.

PD

[lookin 4 juice]

well im goin to hell! ^^^

[blm]

Originally posted by lookin 4 juice
well im goin to hell! ^^^

Go to school instead and learn how to read, lol

[Puddles]

This is the best link I have on creation vs. evolution:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/creation.shtml


I've wondered if the 7 "days" it took God to create everything was translated wrong and days means a much greater amount of time, say a billion years. That would bring both theories a bit closer together.

I'm agnostic and don't really know what to believe.

[BBAddict]

Originally posted by Puddles
I'm agnostic and don't really know what to believe.

:angel: Yay Puddles, I'm so excited. I am religious but really appreciate it when somebody says that they are agnostic. It really irritates me when somebody says that they are not religious--they are atheist. That is the stupidest thing-it's a total contradiction! It takes just as much faith to say that there is not a God as it takes to say there is a God because there is no way of proving either. So I appreciate your intelligence in your acknowledgment that the fact that you are agnostic because you don't know want to believe.

[bad14u]

Originally posted by Puddles
I've wondered if the 7 "days" it took God to create everything was translated wrong and days means a much greater amount of time, say a billion years. That would bring both theories a bit closer together.

Good question considering that back then there was no such thing as time or a way to measure it!

[blm]

Originally posted by bad14u
Good question considering that back then there was no such thing as time or a way to measure it!

There has always been the rising and the setting of the sun. When you have nothing else to focus on, it doesn't take long to notice patterns like this and establish a timeline.

[bad14u]

Originally posted by blm
There has always been the rising and the setting of the sun. When you have nothing else to focus on, it doesn't take long to notice patterns like this and establish a timeline.

But in regards to Creation...if God created the Earth wouldn't he have created the Sun as well...and on and on.....just brings up more questions!

[blm]

Originally posted by bad14u
But in regards to Creation...if God created the Earth wouldn't he have created the Sun as well...and on and on.....just brings up more questions!

lol, so they lived in complete darkness w/o any form of energy to be converted by other organisms to sustain life and "create" a life cycle? Yes, more quetions, hence the reason creationism is an absolute joke.

[spidey]

Originally posted by blm
There has always been the rising and the setting of the sun. When you have nothing else to focus on, it doesn't take long to notice patterns like this and establish a timeline.

Not quite true if you believe the bible's account of creation.

In the beginning there was nothing; a void. On the first day, god said "let there be light" and there was light and light was separated from darkness. Since the sun, moon and stars were not created until the 4rth day, many christian faiths theorize that the light created on the first day aminated from god himself, not the sun.

Since the sun was not created until the 4rth day, what could have been used to measure time? Time is a quantity and concept invented by humanity because we are mortal and change with time. God, being immortal and unchanging, had no concept of time. Indeed, if you want to get philosophical, god exists outside of the boundries of linear time. It is written in more than one place that god knows all that was, all that is, and all that will be. He exists simultaniously in the past present and future. If that is really true, then time has no meaning to god. The "days" of creation then could have been any length of linear time. A creation "day" could have been a billion years in linear time. Using the same argument, I suppose they could have also been a millisecond.

I find these discussions interesting. I was raised very religiously and have read the bible several times over. Although, it has been several years I admit. I have 27 ministers in my family including my mother, two of her siblings, my grandmother, etc. Of course, they all believe I am going to hell because I have strayed, LOL. I am not a religious man in spite of my mother's best efforts. I am a scientist and logic rules. I can neither prove nor disprove the existence of god. Therefore, I am agnostic. It is just as illogical to believe in a god as it is to firmly reject the existence of god. There simply is no way to prove either case.