Sad news, IFBB pro has died..

[lxorl]

RIP im sure he will be missed by many.

[GreekTank]

That's shitty news, my prayers go out to him

[GreekTank]

Originally posted by spidey
Sorry to hear that. Do you know if he had a family history of heart disease?

Steroids will cause enlargement of the left ventrical which can eventually lead to heart failure. This is especially true with large doses and concomitt HGH use. I wonder if we will start seeing more of these cases now that the "high dose" generation of BB's is getting a little older. I hope not.

Bro, who's suseptible to this? what about TEST cycles do they cause the same damage? how much do you need to take and how long for to cause this damage?

Thanks bro!

[spidey]

Originally posted by GreekTank
Bro, who's suseptible to this? what about TEST cycles do they cause the same damage? how much do you need to take and how long for to cause this damage?

Thanks bro!

Everyone is susceptable. This is just one of the very real risks of AAS use. They are not totally harmless. The heart muscle has androgen receptors just like your skeletal muscles. It is dose dependent so the more you take, the worse it will be. I read a study sometime recently that measured cardiac hypertrophy in AAS using BB's as a function of the doses of AAS they were using. Curiously, HGH and AAS appeared to act synergisticly. That is, more cardiac hypertrophy was seen when both HGH and AAS were used at the same time than with either one alone or even when the effects of HGH and AAS were added together. Fortunately for us, the cardiac hypertrophy due to AAS or GH use was reversed (at least somewhat) when the use of the drugs was discontinued. I don't think it is TOTALLY reversed but it does get better.

I don't feel I am killing myself with one or two low dose cycles a year but, nontheless, the risk is there. These proffesional BB's who are in the top elite use amounts of AAS and GH that boggle the mind and they virtually never go off. The damage to their hearts is almost certain.

[beefcake]

Man this a sad time. And to think coleman is getting close to 50 soon. And nobody uses more stuff than he does. Are we going to be mourning his death as well? I love bodybuilding but it's just not worth it. Like cutler said, don't want to be doing this all the way into your 40's.

[GreekTank]

Originally posted by beefcake
Man this a sad time. And to think coleman is getting close to 50 soon. And nobody uses more stuff than he does. Are we going to be mourning his death as well? I love bodybuilding but it's just not worth it. Like cutler said, don't want to be doing this all the way into your 40's.

Big time:agree:

[Scotland]

I met Youngblood at a show. He was really nice. Not arrogant at all. Came out and sat in the crowd, just hung out. Had the biggest hawaiin shirt on I've ever seen. Couldn't miss him.

[red_devil1469]

R.I.P. What was amazing about him was he didn't start BBing till he was in his 30's.

[Primal Instinct]

Originally posted by spidey
Steroids will cause enlargement of the left ventrical which can eventually lead to heart failure. This is especially true with large doses and concomitt HGH use. I wonder if we will start seeing more of these cases now that the "high dose" generation of BB's is getting a little older. I hope not.

I was led to believe that a strenuous exercise regimen alone can increase the size of the left ventrical. To my knowledge, I don't think that there was ever a comparison study done on this between steroid vs non-steroid users but I do remember reading a study about "clean" athletes' heart measurements showing the left ventricle growth over a period of a few years. I believe the study was done on medium distance sprinters or something like that. Does anyone know what approximate difference we'd be talking about between users and non-users? I suspect that users would have a much larger increase in left V size over non-users though because of the steroids' anabolic properties. Just curious.



Sorry Bouncer, didn't mean to hijack your thread. :(

[spidey]

Originally posted by Primal Instinct
I was led to believe that a strenuous exercise regimen alone can increase the size of the left ventrical. To my knowledge, I don't think that there was ever a comparison study done on this between steroid vs non-steroid users but I do remember reading a study about "clean" athletes' heart measurements showing the left ventricle growth over a period of a few years. I believe the study was done on medium distance sprinters or something like that. Does anyone know what approximate difference we'd be talking about between users and non-users? I suspect that users would have a much larger increase in left V size over non-users though because of the steroids' anabolic properties. Just curious.



Sorry Bouncer, didn't mean to hijack your thread. :(

Absolutely; strenuous exercise will increase left ventrical size. Just as in skeletal muscle, when it is exercised, it grows. Of course, also like skeletal muscle, cardiac muscle has androgen receptors and will grow faster and larger under the influence of AAS. I have read some studies comparing AAS using athletes to clean atletes. I will look up some stuff for you on the weekend. I am at work right now and can't spend the time.