Now, the government is REALLY starting to scare the shit out of me.

[johnstephenson]

"Red, you do know that Canada is letting terroist train there now?"




Thats the most retarded crap i have ever read. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. :pimpslap:

[Scrumhalf]

Redsquirrel, Sorry you hate it but atleast he appointed a strong conservative. Also, I know this is a sexist remark. But i'd rather have all men in there than women because women tend to vote and make decsions based heart instead of logic.

With all due respect, this is an outrageous assertion. I'd like to see examples where either O'Connor or Ginsburg did what you imply. They have proven over many years that they are jurists of the highest order and to suggest otherwise in such a cavalier manner is really uncalled for.

If Roberts is confirmed, there will be 1 woman and 1 minority on the court. I think Bush missed an opportunity to improve this situation or at least maintain the status quo. I know he had several women on his shortlist but for whatever reason he made the choice that he did.

[dreamgirl]

I personally don't think that the abortion issue will ever be over turned. I believe that they could add limitations to it (ie: partial birth abortions)

seeing that I've been pregnant 2 times, if you can't make up your mind before the 7th month whether or not to have an abortion - something is definately wrong! I'm sure that if anyone ressearched that, there is probably so few abortions performed that late anyway here in the US!

[Bouncer]

Well I first heard about this on CNN. But here are some links. On one link it also 12 minute video of training camp. I'm on modem so I can't see it.

http://www.inthebullpen.com/archives...rain-them-too/

http://w-3productions.com/weblog/arc...a_has_ter.html

http://www.westpapua.ca/?q=fr/node/376

Not one of those links says anything about the Canadian Government actually harboring terrorist. Hell we have terrorist in this country training somewhere. Does that mean the US allows them to do so??

Also, look at your sources, "inthebullpen.com" "www.3productions.com" and "www.westpapua.ca"

come on bro, if you actually believe that the Canadain Government is letting terrorist train in canada then thats a damn shame.

[Bouncer]

Also, I know this is a sexist remark. But i'd rather have all men in there than women because women tend to vote and make decsions based heart instead of logic.

tell that to the CEO of Ebay, Meg Whitman has made ebay the fastest growing company ever in US history. I bet all those decisions she made was all heart right?

[redsquirrel]

Redsquirrel, Sorry you hate it but atleast he appointed a strong conservative. Also, I know this is a sexist remark. But i'd rather have all men in there than women because women tend to vote and make decsions based heart instead of logic.

Bush also didn't nominate an african american nor hispanic, ect. Hell if it is anyone other than a white man someone is going to be bitching. But I bet if he did nominate a black female that would make everyone happy huh? lol

And, I'm sorry- but this doesn't concern you.

OF COURSE YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD APPOINTMENT- YOU DON'T HAVE THE GOVERNMENT ATTEMPTING TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR OWN BODY! THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

.....Yeah a strong conservative just makes it so much better. It really makes me feel that it's a fair and balanced situation, and he'll really be looking out for my interests.

[redsquirrel]

I personally don't think that the abortion issue will ever be over turned. I believe that they could add limitations to it (ie: partial birth abortions)

seeing that I've been pregnant 2 times, if you can't make up your mind before the 7th month whether or not to have an abortion - something is definately wrong! I'm sure that if anyone ressearched that, there is probably so few abortions performed that late anyway here in the US!

DG- the Supreme Court recently agreed to hear a case that said partial birth abortions are constitutional if they endanger the mother's health. With the new appointment- this could be overturned. It's not about making up your mind, because I don't agree w/ partial abortions if there is no threat to the mother.

Now, let's say you have a 3rd child, and in the 6th or 7th month, your doc tells you if you deliver the child there's a 90% chance you won't survive. Well, you can't have a partial birth abortion now, so you go ahead and roll the dice and see if you live.

It amazes me that Republicans are pro-life, yet support the death penatly. If someone could explain that one to me, I'd love to hear it.

[Bouncer]

Now, let's say you have a 3rd child, and in the 6th or 7th month, your doc tells you if you deliver the child there's a 90% chance you won't survive. Well, you can't have a partial birth abortion now, so you go ahead and roll the dice and see if you live.

If there is a 90% chance that you wont survive if you have the baby that is an exception to the rule and you then would legally be able to abort the baby.

[johnstephenson]

If there is a 90% chance that you wont survive if you have the baby that is an exception to the rule and you then would legally be able to abort the baby.

Even if you have a 90% chance of not making it. What if they argue that the baby would survive??

[Bouncer]

Even if you have a 90% chance of not making it. What if they argue that the baby would survive??

that dosent matter, if she actually had doctors saying that there is a 90% chance of death, they would be able to abort the baby even if abortion was illeagal.

[Bouncer]

just so everyone knows where i stand. i agree with red 100%. nobody should be able to tell a women what she can do with her body. the government should have no say in abortion.

[spidey]

DG- the Supreme Court recently agreed to hear a case that said partial birth abortions are constitutional if they endanger the mother's health. With the new appointment- this could be overturned. It's not about making up your mind, because I don't agree w/ partial abortions if there is no threat to the mother.

Now, let's say you have a 3rd child, and in the 6th or 7th month, your doc tells you if you deliver the child there's a 90% chance you won't survive. Well, you can't have a partial birth abortion now, so you go ahead and roll the dice and see if you live.

It amazes me that Republicans are pro-life, yet support the death penatly. If someone could explain that one to me, I'd love to hear it.

First of all, there is NO ONE who has proposed making abortion illegal even if the mother's life is in danger. EVERY SINGLE bill or motion to limit or "outlaw" abortion has had language permitting abortion in the case of the mother's life being at stake. So, that is a non-argument that just clouds the issue and attempts to scare people.

Secondly, did you really expect GWB to nominate someone who WASN'T a conservative? Get real! Bush was elected by the majority of Americans to put forward a conservative agenda and put CONSERVATIVE judges on the bench.

The reason this is such a huge deal to the dems is that they can't rely on VOTERS to put forward a liberal agenda. THEY CAN'T bring things like abortion and affirmative action to the voters because they would LOSE overwhelmingly. Poll after poll and study after study have shown that the majority of Americans are AGAINST abortion and AGAINST affirmative action. The only way the dems can forward their liberal agenda is to institutionalize it in the courts. That way, they can get things done by having aspects of their agenda made law. People that we didn't vote for (judges) who will "interpret" things into the constitution that aren't there.

Got news for you dems. WE WON! We voted for Bush in large part BECAUSE we knew he would nominate conservative judges and not some flake like Ginsberg. Also, on a side note, a judge as extreme as Ginsberg will never again win confirmation thanks to the efforts of the democrats in using judicial filibusters for the FIRST time in history. Now that we have that dubious precident, anyone like Ginsberg would be automatically fillibustered to death even in the unlikely situation (for the forseeable future) of a democratically controlled senate and presidency.

As for the court being a conservative court, I say BS. The only conservatives on the court were Renquist, Scalia, and Thomas. O'Connor was more liberal than conservative (and a huge dissappointment to Reaganites). Souter and Kennedy have sided with Ginsberg more often than with the aforementioned conservatives even though they were appointed by Republican presidents. If anything, I would say the court has been a LIBERAL court more than a conservative one. Need proof? You have only to review one of their more recent decisions that lets a private citizen take the land of another private citizen if the local economy will benefit. O'connor happened to be on the right side of that one to be fair but guess how Souter and Kennedy voted.

OK, I've ranted enough :) . I just couldn't let all this stuff slide.

[redsquirrel]

If there is a 90% chance that you wont survive if you have the baby that is an exception to the rule and you then would legally be able to abort the baby.

Actually, that's exactly what the case is about. They overturned the Nebraska ruling that banned partial births even if the mother's life was in danger. The Supreme Court deemed it unconstitutional.

...Now it's back on the table, and partial births NO MATTER WHAT may be banned.

[redsquirrel]

First of all, there is NO ONE who has proposed making abortion illegal even if the mother's life is in danger. EVERY SINGLE bill or motion to limit or "outlaw" abortion has had language permitting abortion in the case of the mother's life being at stake. So, that is a non-argument that just clouds the issue and attempts to scare people.

Actually, it is an argument.

There was a ruling in Nebraska that was deemed unconsitutional because the mother's life was in danger, and the Supreme Court overturned it. In that instance, the state refused the woman an abortion. That same case was recently brought back to the courts in May and the Supreme Court is hearing the case again.

Secondly, the polls and studies I see, 60% of Americans are NOT against abortion. The other polls I see are that GWB's approval rating has taken a 10 point drop.

And if you want to talk about clouding an issue- don't you think that this nomination comes at perfect time to divert the attention away from our deteriorating control in Iraq, the Social Security debacle, and most importantly- the Carl Rove scandal.??? It's a great strategy- really.

And I am still beggin someone to tell me the justification by being pro-life, yet support capital punishment.

[Bouncer]

Red, the second a women dies because she wasnt allowed to abort a baby will be the second that the whole nation goes nuts and that bill will be over very fast even if they do make abortion illeagal.