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[Lifter2005]

Senator John Glenn

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WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID

Things that make you think a little:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of
January.That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire
war-torn country of Iraq.
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war,
state the following:
a. FDR led us into World War II.

b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.

c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 18,334 per year.

d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 5,800 per year.

f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia
never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter
three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
occasions.

g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush has
liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North Korea without firing a
shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own
people.

The Democrats are complaining about
how long the war is taking.
But ..

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing
records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call
the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in
Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts
But Wait . there's more!

JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they
do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator
Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation
of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a
living.
This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never
served think of the military.
Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate
when you've never held a real job?"
Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was
in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on
the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take
the daily cash receipts to the bank."
"I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men .
with their mangled bodies .. in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold
a job!
You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to
the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't
hold a job.
You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National
Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember,
and you watch those waving flags
You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you tell ME that
those people didn't have a job?
What about you?"
For those who don't remember ..
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney representing the
Communist Party in the USA.
Now he's a Senator!

You go Senator John Glenn and may GOD BLESS AND KEEP YOU!!!!! AND THANK YOU

[GearTripper]

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[sekcbeast]

Good read. :usausausa

[phatchopper]

I enjoyed that thanks

[Goosteady]

Trying to justify deaths by comparing them to others isn't a very viable strategy IMO.

[BBAddict]

Inspiring read-I'm gonna send this to all my Dem. buddies!

[realconan]

Trying to justify deaths by comparing them to others isn't a very viable strategy IMO.

Dude, you're completely missing the point. The point is that these other presidents are considered heros and role models while their actions cost hundreds of thousands of American lives attacking countries that posed no direct threat to us. We were directly attacked by whoever and Bush gets flack because he went after the people who did it? Whether you think we should still be in Iraq or not, he’s done a pretty darn good job. People complain about our current president because of the war in Iraq while we lose as many American lives because of other Americans in one month in a single city in our own country as we lose in a friggin war in another country because of people who hate us. The death toll from abortion in a single day in this country is greater than the death toll from this entire war. This country is messed up…great none-the-less…still messed up.

[Goosteady]

Dude, you're completely missing the point. The point is that these other presidents are considered heros and role models while their actions cost hundreds of thousands of American lives attacking countries that posed no direct threat to us. We were directly attacked by whoever and Bush gets flack because he went after the people who did it? Whether you think we should still be in Iraq or not, he’s done a pretty darn good job. People complain about our current president because of the war in Iraq while we lose as many American lives because of other Americans in one month in a single city in our own country as we lose in a friggin war in another country because of people who hate us. The death toll from abortion in a single day in this country is greater than the death toll from this entire war. This country is messed up…great none-the-less…still messed up.

I look at the aforementioned atrocities performed by other leaders to be just as poor as those performed by our current president. I am simply stating that comparing fuck ups to other worse fuck ups doesn't make the original look any better if you think about it. It's like the ugly girl who hangs out with fatass friends to look better in comparison...in the end she's still ugly

[Travers54]

Senator John Glenn

b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.

Germany did declare war on us as did Italy

[Latino~Heat]

Nice readin ... if only we had more people like that in the Senate... man this would be a better place...Moral would be different!
L~H

[Gort]

Dude, you're completely missing the point. The point is that these other presidents are considered heros and role models while their actions cost hundreds of thousands of American lives attacking countries that posed no direct threat to us. We were directly attacked by whoever and Bush gets flack because he went after the people who did it? Whether you think we should still be in Iraq or not, he’s done a pretty darn good job. People complain about our current president because of the war in Iraq while we lose as many American lives because of other Americans in one month in a single city in our own country as we lose in a friggin war in another country because of people who hate us. The death toll from abortion in a single day in this country is greater than the death toll from this entire war. This country is messed up…great none-the-less…still messed up.

Bush attacked Afganistan and Iraq - neither one attacked us.

Detroit is the single parent and murder capitol of the US. There are 7 times more Americans in Detroit than Iraq. You also ignore the Iraqi casualties which are horrendous.

We are not at war with Iraq, it is an occupation.

I did not like Bush before he took office, and he has done nothing to make me like him since.

To say we have "liberated" anyone at this point ignores everything we know about current conditions in those countries.


I think history will view this current situation as a bigger blunder than Korea or Viet Nam - even if it happens to succeed in some fashion.


Too bad GWB isn't a bit more like GHWB.

[Starr]

Ultimately, the point is to make us realize that no one... NO ONE... can point fingers.

May the innocent please be the first to speak; may the lawyers, the law makers, the kings of our worlds be the ones to listen.

But it is so unfortunately subjective that one cannot hold one ear open, and close the other while living in any reality, whether it be peacetime or wartime, depending on whose peace or war it is... Who is right?

But while we live in the United States, with our motto striving toward a democratic world, how can we possible chastize American actions regarding Iraq, Germany, Japan, etc, when that is our founding ethos?
:usausausa :usa:

[realconan]

Bush attacked Afganistan and Iraq - neither one attacked us.

Detroit is the single parent and murder capitol of the US. There are 7 times more Americans in Detroit than Iraq. You also ignore the Iraqi casualties which are horrendous.

That's ridiculous. So there are more Americans in Detroit than Iraq. That's no encouragement. There isn't a WAR in Detroit!!!! Or an "occupation" if you will. Let's call it a "Military Action".

And I'm assuming you can give us the numbers of these "horendous" Iraqi casualties. Or is that just what you heard on the news?

[coffee-guy]

Bush attacked Afganistan and Iraq - neither one attacked us.

Detroit is the single parent and murder capitol of the US. There are 7 times more Americans in Detroit than Iraq. You also ignore the Iraqi casualties which are horrendous.

We are not at war with Iraq, it is an occupation.

I did not like Bush before he took office, and he has done nothing to make me like him since.

To say we have "liberated" anyone at this point ignores everything we know about current conditions in those countries.


I think history will view this current situation as a bigger blunder than Korea or Viet Nam - even if it happens to succeed in some fashion.


Too bad GWB isn't a bit more like GHWB.

I vote that if you are not willing to die for this country that you move to Iraq and see how much you like it there...

If that bothers you then go complain to a website that is dedicated to politics and not dedicated to building "Superior Muscle".

The current average of American's in Iraq is between 250k and 300k - the population of Detroit is less than 1m
http://detroit.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm

As for the total population of Iraq -
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...iz.html#People
(This fades the comparison of numerous deaths of Iraqis).

More Shiites died in a "trample" yesterday after someone suspected a terrorist was going to set off a suicide bomb (648 total deaths).
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9126948/

They "suspected" a terrorist - go figure - that's what the terrorists want people to do - live in fear - AND IT'S WORKING.

I do not neccesarily agree with everything Bush has/has not done however, it takes some big fucking balls to do what he did in the face of the world. No one can say that he does not have corageous leadership - he bet the farm and it has eliminated Hussein (who slaughtered millions of Iraqis) and numerous other terrorists.

As for how history will view this "blunder" - the Iraqi people will thank the U.S. for involving them in liberation. The only nations that want to kill U.S. civilians are the ones that are still living without Television / Internet etc. There are tons of young Korean and Chinese men that hate the U.S. but they have been given the chance to live like we have. No nation has EVER become democratic just because they wanted to - there has always had to be some type of revolution to initiate the whole process.

Bush has flattened the world by bringing new age ideas and technology to areas of the Earth that would still be living in poverty and making their own bread / shitting in a dug out hole in the ground / eating insects to survive etc. How can you be upset with a nation that wants to spread prosperity and eventual peace in a nation devastated by genocide???????

[realconan]

Bush attacked Afganistan and Iraq - neither one attacked us.

To say we have "liberated" anyone at this point ignores everything we know about current conditions in those countries.

Bush attacked the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, both of which would love to turn the US into the biggest burn mark on the planet.

I would suggest you go talk to the people of Afghanistan and Iraq and see what they have to say about all of this before you scoff at any claims concerning “liberation.” Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe much of what the media shows us anyway. We see images of people dancing and celebrating the fall of the Taliban and Hussein, but are we only seeing what our government wants us to see. I can’t imagine, though, that it was a bad thing to try to take these people out of power, no matter what our government’s motivation.

Personally, I don’t think we still need to be there. If our intention was to oust Hussein and overthrow his “regime” than we’ve done that already, let’s go home. But to just waltz in and kick out the current dictator opens the door to civil war, so we really accomplish nothing. It’s all politics anyway. It makes me sick. There are better ways of dealing with the people who brought down the trade center. It doesn’t have to be made into a ridiculous political show. That doesn’t mean that I don’t support our president. Mistakes notwithstanding, he has accomplished most of the things he set out to accomplish, whether you agree that they are right or not. Remember that 9/11 wasn’t the first time an attempt was made to bring down the trade center. That was during Slick Willie’s administration and he did nothing. Probably too busy asking interns to smoke his pole.