Bush: 'I take responsibility'

[Primal Instinct]

Good post, fog hat1981. That is the primary reason that the Euro is threatening to the US economy. Iraq (under Saddam), Iran, North Korea, Libya, Venezuela and a few other nations had announced that they were soon dropping the US dollar as the preferred standard trading currency and were adopting the Euro instead. This is a huge statement witth incredible impact because these are all oil producing nations and the impact would be deleterious to our economy. Immediately, a campaign was put together to threaten ction against these nations. One of them, we invaded in order to make a statement to these others not to screw with our oil supplies or our economic stability.

[Timma]

Anyways, I sent that pic around to all my coworkers and everyone was laughing.

[coffee-guy]

Good post, fog hat1981. That is the primary reason that the Euro is threatening to the US economy. Iraq (under Saddam), Iran, North Korea, Libya, Venezuela and a few other nations had announced that they were soon dropping the US dollar as the preferred standard trading currency and were adopting the Euro instead. This is a huge statement witth incredible impact because these are all oil producing nations and the impact would be deleterious to our economy. Immediately, a campaign was put together to threaten ction against these nations. One of them, we invaded in order to make a statement to these others not to screw with our oil supplies or our economic stability.

Exactly - that's one of the untold stories to our control of Iraq and North Korea.

We attacked Noriega in Panama with no initiating factor too, other than the obvious fact that they were going to turn the re-construction of the canal over to China's engineers and eliminate the U.S. from one of our biggest construction contracts to date.

Finally, someone who knows the rhyme for the reason in our government's hidden agendas.

:usausausa

[Primal Instinct]

Exactly - that's one of the untold stories to our control of Iraq and North Korea.

We attacked Noriega in Panama with no initiating factor too, other than the obvious fact that they were going to turn the re-construction of the canal over to China's engineers and eliminate the U.S. from one of our biggest construction contracts to date.

Finally, someone who knows the rhyme for the reason in our government's hidden agendas.

:usausausa

Here's a prime example of how outside threats to US interests are manufactured for geopolitical gain. Due to the Freedom of Information Act, here is a declassified Pentagon document now electronically residing on servers in George Washington University. It is from the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Secretary of Defense MacNamara in 1962 which was code named Operation Northwoods. Basically, it proposed that the US should develop tensions and create the aura of a clear and present threat to the national security of the US from Cuba and therefore, US military invasion would be justified in the worldview:

Operation Northwoods
quote from page 8 of document:
"3. This plan, incorporating projects selected from the attached suggestions, or from other sources, should be developed to focus all efforts on a specific ultimate objective which would provide adequate justification for US military intervention. Such a plan would enable a logical buildup of incidents to be combined with other seemingly unrelated events to camouflage the ultimate objective and create the necessary impression of Cuban rashness and irresponsibility, on a large scale, directed at other countries as well as the United States. The plan would also properly integrate and time phase the courses of action to be pursued. The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of Cuban threat to peace in the western hemisphere."


Sound familiar? Just substitute the name Cuba for Iraq. This stuff has been happening for two centuries within our government. Why suddenly, has it become some "conspiracy theory"? Is it only because those who are not aware of the hidden agendas of our government (and all governments) are afraid to consider that not always do our leaders act within the best interests of its citizens? I think it's because they refuse to face the possibility that their belief systems were deeply challenged and they can't handle the fact that their perception was carefully crafted from their executive branch of government.


Read the document over and then reconsider why we are at war in Iraq. It IS indeed an elective war, not a war of self-defense, as touted by the Bush administration. In particular, pay attention to pages 10-14 which detail blowing up a US ship in Cuban waters (think the USS Cole), hijacking and destroying US airliner with "college students" or someone onboard (flights on 9/11?), shooting down a USAF fighter and claiming that it was Cuban military aircraft who did it, sinking a boatload of Cubans "(real or simulated)" enroute from Cuba to the US, and many other diabolical deeds in order to justify an invasion of a foreign nation. Wake up people!


:usausausa

[Bulldog743]

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.... :thumbsdow

Same shit, different day. You all give the same obtuse remarks to everything. You don't like the war...Bush must be incompetent.

****Yes he is----OBL attacks America, so we invade Iraq? If you research something you will find Bush in his first debate, with Al Gore, stating that he (BUSH) wants to take Saduum out of POWER....... 9-11, was Bush's chance and he took it! Now what?

You don't like paying taxes...Bush must be incompetent.

****yes he is, 90% of his tax cuts were for the people who arn more than $1 million a year!!!!!!

A hurricane destroyed New Orleans...Bush must be incompetent. The levees broke....Bush must be incompetent.

***lets see----Spend $200 Billion in Iraq, but when a natural disaster happens in OUR COUNTRY BUSH sits on his hands, like he did on 9-11..... The man sat in a class room for 7 min. listening to kids read books while our country was being attacked? Yeah, he is a hell of a leader....

Are you so gullible as to believe that Bush single-handedly denied funding to strengthen the levees? It's all so preposterous it makes me want to laugh. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!! What a joke.

***The failure lies in his inability to think ahead, he had all the info in the world that if this thing hits, its going to be the worst ever! Now what he did do is what he apologises for, what he did do is not REACT FAST enough, he didn't need Congress to help American citizens....

Hind sight is 20/20. It's always easier to just sit and criticize after the fact.

**@hat fact? That he did not react in time and people died?

You claim that the "liberal media" is a fallacy and that it has nothing to do with partisan politics yet you're parrotting exactly what all of the left wing extremists say every day against Bush. God, what a bunch of cry babies. GROW UP!!!!!

***Question your leader dont make excuses for them! Our government is a bunch of tyrants how many of their kids are in Iraq? :usausausa

Arnold

[Gods Son]

I hate politics....

[Bulldog743]

I hate politics....

Politics are for the rich....... Once elected~~~~ that is who they SERVE......... :hmmm:

This country, elected the son of an oil man who was a president, when i heard Bush JR. was running for president i really thought it was a JOKE..... Then he won????? Seems to me people dont research a damn thing anymore, the National Guard rich boy DROP OUT..... The "i ride Daddy's coat tails" all my life gets elected? :bbq: What happened to this great country of ours? Drop the ball on this one...... Imagine all the new generations of people in Iraq and Afganistan that will grow up hating and wanting revenge on America...... We call them "insurgents" yet what would "YOU" do when a country came in and "accidently" blew up your family and friends? :usausausa maybe we are not the good guys anymore...... National Guard-----Under Bush the "INTERNATIONAL GUARD".... I have 2 brothers in Iraq, i served my time in the US ARMY--Infantry Airborne.... My bros agree, BUSH SUCKS........ :usausausa Support our troops, fear our government....... Oh, instead of Buying those ribbons for your vehicle, "supporting" our troops, you should of voted Bush out of office! That would really be supporting the troops...... 10-15 more yrs. in Iraq........ What do you think all the US bases being built are for? Done ranting~~~ The Bushies, just dont get it-----Hey send your family to Iraq and send mine home!!!!!!! :usausausa

[bonebreaker]

Hey guys, listen. Bush's approval is currently very low, agreed. He' a "lame duck" and can only hurt the next Republican running for Pres. If this would be his first term, he probably wouldn't be elected for a second, RIGHT NOW. Has he pulled some bonehead plays? Sure, all presidents have in the past, and will in the future. One thing to remember, HE WAS ELECTED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Unless it has changed, the majority of Americans voted him into office in 2004, so obviously, more people were leaning towards the right than the left, like it or not. The financial woes of this country were not created by Bush in the last 5 years, nor by Clinton in the 8 prior years, but by ALL politicians and presidents before them. But mainly by John Kennedy, then Lyndon Johnson and his "great society", who were responsible for the start of the tremendous expenditures to special interest groups and financial support that crippled welfare recipients and all their future generations because they can get more by NOT working than they could earn at a minimum wage job. Plus, they have the incentive to have more children because they can get MORE benefits, thus creating an even larger burden on the economy. Welfare initially was intended to support people for a short period of time until they could get back on their feet and get a job. It is now, and has been for a long time, a full time job, getting their welfare checks and food stamps. This country would not have any debt would it not be for "pork barrel politics", huge welfare and other benefits, and the greed of ALL politicians. Just imagine how much the GNP and tax receipts would increase were all the people on welfare and other dependant care programs working and contributing to the income of the country. Just for example, I have quite a few people who work for me, men in their 20's with wives and kid(s). When I have overtime available, they don't want to work because it reduces the amount of money they are given at the end of the month for food stamps. At least they work, but their wives stay home because if they worked they wouldn't get any assistance. Plus, the men don't carry insurance because it does cost. So, since they don't have insurance, it doesn't matter that they could get it fairly cheaply, the government, you and I, pay for all their medical bills, including dentists, along with many other benefits. They all know how to play the freebie game and play it well, along with millions and millions of other "citizens". That's exactly why the American economy is on the ropes and none other. You can come up with all the reasons you THINK we are on the ropes, but they will pale in comparison to the amount of money wasted every day in giveaway programs. BTW, if you think I'm a bigot, so be it, the people who I mentioned work for me are ALL white. BB

[realconan]

I am neither a left-wing liberal extremist nor a far-right neoconservative. You say I'm parroting the liberal media. Perhaps you should drop your partisan veil and look at things from a centrist perspective- or better yet- an outside, non-affiliated perspective. You may just learn that your perception has been keeled much too far to the right just as some people are keeled much too far to the left.

I happen to agree with a lot of what the conservative right has to say. I don’t affiliate myself with any political party and then just disagree with you because you don’t belong to that party. That’s just silly. Everything isn’t partisan, left vs. right. I disagree and agree with some of what both the Dumbasscracks and Repubiclickers have to say. And yes I’m swayed more toward the right than the left, what’s wrong with that? I go where I see truth. And I don’t see so much of it in what you write. You’re more concerned with how I’m arguing my point than what I’m saying. I know I come across as a hardass most of the time and I apologize for that, but that doesn’t mean that what I have to say is coming from behind a partisan veil.

One last question- Why do we pay taxes to support a federal disaster program that doesn't respond well (or timely) to federal disasters? You should probably bone up on how much the tax cuts actually cost you over the long-term. You might get $600 back this year but it will cost you on average, in the neighborhood of $7500 to pay the finance charges for the borrowed money that covers your tax rebate to pay for federal programs & in other ways, such as higher state and local taxes to cover the shortfalls from less federal money granted to these municipalities due to the loss of overall tax receipts from tax cuts. No one can run a household like this successfully (deficit spending), so how can you run an entire government like this successfully? If you are concerned about your money then you should delve into what the tax cuts really cost you. I'll be more than happy to send you $100 now if you'll pay me $1000 back later. That's exactly what's going on with this situation, believe it or not.

What?! I pay my taxes because I have to. Ask your Congressman about the federal disaster program. We don’t control how taxes are spent. I don’t pay taxes with a smile on my face knowing that they will be well spent. Your post doesn’t make sense. Tax cuts cost us more money in the end? Again...preposterous. Tax cuts don’t cause deficit spending, spending too much friggin money creates deficit spending. I’m just as disappointed in how our government spends tax dollars as you are.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/FederalDeficit.html
http://www.federalbudget.com/

The federal deficit is an extremely complicated and much debated topic that many people much smarter than either of us don’t have an answer to. Budget deficits are a result of spending more than your make, not tax cuts. When our government spends more than it makes it has to borrow to accommodate all of its appropriations. That money never gets paid back because our government spends more than it makes every damn year and has since the sixties. The solution shouldn’t be to just increase income (i.e. taxes), the solution needs to be reduced spending or making the government accountable to the American public for how it spends OUR money.

…the National Guard rich boy DROP OUT..... The "i ride Daddy's coat tails" all my life gets elected?

Has he had his dick sucked by an intern while in office? Has he lied on the witness stand while in office? Has he been impeached for perjury while in office? Did he dodge the draft? No, but Clinton did all of those things and you all loved him in spite of it. Or would you rather have Mr. “I ride on my psyco wife’s filthy rich family’s coat tails” Kerry in office? Give me a break.

Imagine all the new generations of people in Iraq and Afghanistan that will grow up hating and wanting revenge on America...... We call them "insurgents" yet what would "YOU" do when a country came in and "accidentally" blew up your family and friends?

Not so hard to imagine when you consider that THEY ALREADY HATED US AND THEY ALREADY BLEW UP OUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS ON AMERICAN SOIL ON PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!! You served in the Army and you don’t know this? This country is just now beginning to wake up to the truth that they want all of us dead. You make it sound as though the Bush’s actions in Afghanistan and Iraq did this overnight. It’s been that way for decades. You claim that he’s just trying to protect this country’s oil interests in the Middle East...well yeah, so what? Why shouldn’t he? Would you rather he didn’t give a shit about where this country gets it’s oil? Than you’d complain about that. As if oil isn’t really that important to us after all. You reap the benefits of those oil interests, so what are you complaining about?

Are we all forgetting that this country’s “independence” was achieved through a war over fucking taxes? Taxation without representation. That’s what we went to war for. Such a noble cause. You have the freedoms and rights you have because of a war...a silly war. Even if his only motivation was preserving our interest in oil other things were accomplished in the process that have benefited the people of Afghanistan and Iraq. Do you really think that the entire country of Afghanistan loved and supported the Taliban or whoever the hell it was that we were fighting? When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor we leveled two entire cities in retaliation. Talk about innocent people. Don’t hear anyone implying that FDR was a horrible president.

The Bushies, just dont get it-----Hey send your family to Iraq and send mine home!!!!!!!

Why should I go fight to defend someone who says something stupid like that? You’re an embarrassment to this country if that’s what you think of your countrymen.

[spidey]

I just don't have time to reply to all the posts here that I want to. I will re-visit this thread next week some time and debate some of the points.

[Bulldog743]

I happen to agree with a lot of what the conservative right has to say. I don’t affiliate myself with any political party and then just disagree with you because you don’t belong to that party. That’s just silly. Everything isn’t partisan, left vs. right. I disagree and agree with some of what both the Dumbasscracks and Repubiclickers have to say. And yes I’m swayed more toward the right than the left, what’s wrong with that? I go where I see truth. And I don’t see so much of it in what you write. You’re more concerned with how I’m arguing my point than what I’m saying. I know I come across as a hardass most of the time and I apologize for that, but that doesn’t mean that what I have to say is coming from behind a partisan veil.

What?! I pay my taxes because I have to. Ask your Congressman about the federal disaster program. We don’t control how taxes are spent. I don’t pay taxes with a smile on my face knowing that they will be well spent. Your post doesn’t make sense. Tax cuts cost us more money in the end? Again...preposterous. Tax cuts don’t cause deficit spending, spending too much friggin money creates deficit spending. I’m just as disappointed in how our government spends tax dollars as you are.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/FederalDeficit.html
http://www.federalbudget.com/

The federal deficit is an extremely complicated and much debated topic that many people much smarter than either of us don’t have an answer to. Budget deficits are a result of spending more than your make, not tax cuts. When our government spends more than it makes it has to borrow to accommodate all of its appropriations. That money never gets paid back because our government spends more than it makes every damn year and has since the sixties. The solution shouldn’t be to just increase income (i.e. taxes), the solution needs to be reduced spending or making the government accountable to the American public for how it spends OUR money.

Has he had his dick sucked by an intern while in office? Has he lied on the witness stand while in office? Has he been impeached for perjury while in office? Did he dodge the draft? No, but Clinton did all of those things and you all loved him in spite of it. Or would you rather have Mr. “I ride on my psyco wife’s filthy rich family’s coat tails” Kerry in office? Give me a break.

***Kerry's daddy didn't get him elected...... kerry didn't ride daddy's coat tails..... As far as Clinton goes, i am sure he wasn't the first to get sucked off in office! Just the first to get caught, you want to talk about politicians and morals? LOL.... We dont hire Christians to run a country!

Not so hard to imagine when you consider that THEY ALREADY HATED US AND THEY ALREADY BLEW UP OUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS ON AMERICAN SOIL ON PURPOSE!!!!!!!!!!!

***Who did Saduum? Iraqi people had nothing to do with 9-11..... Bush--- if you do the research wanted Saduum out of power in 2000, read the Gore Bush debates.....

You served in the Army and you don’t know this?

***Sure i do know that the terrorists for OBL, came from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq nor Afganistan, and i did serve from 88-91...... Whats your point, do you think everyone in the military is a robot and agrees with BUSH? Saduum and OBL were enemies, not friends.... :laughnew:

This country is just now beginning to wake up to the truth that they want all of us dead.

***I am sure they do now! What has Iraq done to us PREVIouSLY????? :hmmm:

You make it sound as though the Bush’s actions in Afghanistan and Iraq did this overnight. It’s been that way for decades.

***Yes, the extremeists do hate everyone, but the rest had no problem, the Muslim community, is a peaceful one, except for the few extremists, which have now risen, since we attacked the ME....

You claim that he’s just trying to protect this country’s oil interests in the Middle East...well yeah, so what? Why shouldn’t he? Would you rather he didn’t give a shit about where this country gets it’s oil? Than you’d complain about that. As if oil isn’t really that important to us after all. You reap the benefits of those oil interests, so what are you complaining about?

***What did i say about oil? Saduum was no threat to us and we knew it! The sanctions we had on him, worked and have been working, where are all those WMD???????????? That BUSH promised the WORLD we would find???????

Are we all forgetting that this country’s “independence” was achieved through a war over fucking taxes? Taxation without representation. That’s what we went to war for. Such a noble cause. You have the freedoms and rights you have because of a war...a silly war. Even if his only motivation was preserving our interest in oil other things were accomplished in the process that have benefited the people of Afghanistan and Iraq. Do you really think that the entire country of Afghanistan loved and supported the Taliban or whoever the hell it was that we were fighting? When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor we leveled two entire cities in retaliation. Talk about innocent people. Don’t hear anyone implying that FDR was a horrible president.

***Yes he was, but he isn't in office right now, is he? Bush the SON of an oil man, the "C" student who rode daddy's coat tails all his 43yrs. of being drunk on JD.... Was elected to be the most powerful man in the world? :laughnew: American public is blind and DUMB...

Why should I go fight to defend someone who says something stupid like that? You’re an embarrassment to this country if that’s what you think of your countrymen.

***I am against fighting for NOTHING, the minute we leave Iraq it will be in CHAOS, it will be a civil war, we de-stabilized the ME, not protected it! Ask yourself, if your life or your kids life is worth that of an IRAQI's life..... I am no embarrassment to this country, i served my country, i am a proud American, i dont want my 2 brothers DYING for the Iraqi people, or the LIES and DECEIT about WMD......... I think and always have believed that Bush is a loser, i dont care if he is a REpub. a DEm, or a IND....... This country has taken a turn for the worst and Bush is a reason for that! like it or not, thats a fact....... Love your country fear your Government.......First it was the WMD, and the mushroom cloud Bush scare tactics, then it was for the Iraqi people, now its for OIL, what is it Bushies? $200 Billion Plus, almost 2000 American soldiers, 10,000 injured and for what? We would be welcomed in Iraq after Saduum is gone? really? Iraq cannot be won, how do you defeat a people's belief, they die for their country and recieve 72 virgins in heaven???? You cant defeat that thinking and culture........ Screw Bush and his sheep that follow him....... :usausausa

Arnold

[Russell]

Anybody who would talk about 'left-wing extremists' is idiot, no one here is claiming thet Stalin should be put in charge. You're just stupid enough to repeat what they tell you on TV.
On the other hand the 'conspiracy theories' suggested in this thread sound way too stupid just as well. Why blow up your OWN two largest skyscrapers, seriously damaging your OWN economy, before invading a nation that clearly had nothing to do with it since there wasn't one Iraqi directly involved. :thumbsdow

[SloppyJo]

Anybody who would talk about 'left-wing extremists' is idiot, no one here is claiming thet Stalin should be put in charge. You're just stupid enough to repeat what they tell you on TV.
On the other hand the 'conspiracy theories' suggested in this thread sound way too stupid just as well. Why blow up your OWN two largest skyscrapers, seriously damaging your OWN economy, before invading a nation that clearly had nothing to do with it since there wasn't one Iraqi directly involved. :thumbsdow

[Russell]

You're a moron

If you're going to say that someone is stupid, why not throw in an argument alongside instead of just trying to be the funnyman here.
Tell me, just what is it that you find stupid about my previous post you commented so cunning?
Do you really disagree or were you just waiting to get that brilliant policejoke out there?
:hmmm:

[Bouncer]

If you're going to say that someone is stupid, why not throw in an argument alongside instead of just trying to be the funnyman here.
Tell me, just what is it that you find stupid about my previous post you commented so cunning?
Do you really disagree or were you just waiting to get that brilliant policejoke out there?
:hmmm:

your new user title fits you well. i hope you like it. :)