Announcement

Collapse

Advertising Inquiries

See more
See less

I am pleased with myself :)

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • I am pleased with myself :)

    Totally unrelated to bodybuilding but....

    I build bows (archery) as a hobby. I have been trying to build a composit horn bow for about 3 years now. These bows are like the ones used in asia by various cultures in the past 3000 years. The mongols (Gengis Khan) used these types of bows. So did people from China, Korea, India and Turkey. Each culture used slightly different designs but all of them had horn (usually water buffalo) on the belly, a wood core, and sinew on the back reinforcing the wood. Getting all these materials to work together in harmony is much harder than you might expect and tillering is a BITCH. Tillering is when you train the limbs to bend evenly and equally; no hinges or stiff spots, etc. With wooden bows, you just shave wood off the belly in the right places to get the limb to bend correctly but with horn bows, you can't shave anything off the belly. You have to tiller the limbs with heat.

    The first two I made didn't even make it past the tillering stage. The first one delaminated during the tillering process. The wood core of the second one actually cracked during tillering. The third time was the charm. I finished it this past weekend and I got it tillered and strung up. I even shot it a few times. :dancingne I will shoot the hell out of it for a month or two to really break it in before putting the finishing touches on it.

    These bows are so freaking cool. They are short extreme recurves that are under a lot of strain. My bow at 56" long is much longer than a normal Turkish bow (I made the Turkish variant), Most Turkish bows are anywhere from 44" to 52". I made it longer on purpose so it would be a little more stable. A 52" turkish bow can handle a 36" draw length without stacking! I have drawn mine to around 30" so far. The draw is incredibly smooth from start to finish and it is virtually silent when shot. I haven't measured the draw weight or arrow speed yet. It did turn out a bit lighter than I was wanting but I am still happy with it. I would guess at the draw weight as around 45 lb pull. I will put an extra layer of sinew on the next one to get the draw weight up around 70 lbs.

    I am so psyched up now. I sawed another set of buffalo horns this past weekend too. A very large set (36" long) gave me three sets of strips. I plan to make a really long Chinese bow and then a shorter Turkish or Mongolian bow. The 3rd set of strips is pretty short but I think I can make a very short (38" to 40") Turkish flight bow (called a crab bow) with them. All of that was from the back of the horns. The sides of the horns I may be able to use for some plains indian style flat bows. The solid horn tips I will use for tip overlays.

  • #2
    Excellent! I remember the last time and how dissapointed you felt. Can you take some pics of this bow for us to see?

    Comment


    • #3
      would you ever consider making one for someone? that was a roundabout way for asking can you make me one....how much do you think they would market for if you added materials and labor time in them. I love bow and arrows.

      Comment


      • #4
        Yes, show us some pics

        Comment


        • #5
          sounds awesome....I'd love to see pics

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by stonecold54
            would you ever consider making one for someone? that was a roundabout way for asking can you make me one....how much do you think they would market for if you added materials and labor time in them. I love bow and arrows.
            Maybe some time in the future when I have made a few more. I wouldn't dream of selling something that may or may not perform as expected.

            These bows store so much energy that they can hurt or kill you if they come apart. They could put a siyah slam through you. Until I shoot this one for a solid month or two, I will not be sure it will stay together.

            On the good side, when you get one that works, it is the king of bows. Silky smooth to draw and much more powerful than conventional long bows or recurves. A friend of mine has a 70 lb Mongolian bow that shoots a 1400 grain arrow at 175 ft/sec and a 1100 grain arrow at 205 ft/sec. Those arrows are friggin tree trunks. My hunting arrows are about 460 grains. That calculates out to be 120 ft-lbs of energy or about twice what my modern compound bow turns out! I shot a 3-D deer target with it and about knocked the target off it's stakes. There was about 6 inches of arrow sticking out the back of the target! It draws so smooth though that it doesn't feel like 70 lbs. It feels like a 50 lb bow. Also, it was so quiet, you wouldn't even hear it if you were more than 10 feet away; absolutely no limb or string vibration.

            Shooting his bow was what made me want to make one myself. He does make them to sell but be prepared to spend $2500 on one.

            One extra long set of water buffalo horns costed me $133.90 shipped from the Phillipines. The sinew can go for as little as $20 or $30 if you shred and process it yourself or you can get it pre-processed for about $60. The wood core is 5 separate pieces: Two Siyahs form the recurved ends. They are spliced into the limbs and each limb is spliced into a handle piece. The handle and siyahs can be almost any type of hardwood but the limbs need to be either mulberry or TarTar Maple (an asian maple). TarTar Maple is pretty expensive. A 4x4 piece about 3 ft long is around $80. I use a formaldehyde resin to glue the core together called Urac-185. It is a glue designed for bent laminations and is unmatched for flexibiliity and strength IMO. It will cost about $25 a quart (the smallest amount you can buy) if I remember right. I use 450 gram strength hide glue for the sinew job. You can't use any other type glue for sinewing. Hide glue is a must. I was fortunate to discover a source of the really strong hide glue. Most commercial hide glue is made from rabbit hide and is only about 190 gram strength. The stuff I use is more than twice as strong. I made the string guides from cocabola wood (a dark brown south american wood). I got the small piece of cocabola for free from a friend of mine who was helping me with the bow. Add all that up and I get about $300 give or take in materials. Most of what you would pay for is the labor involved in actually making the bow. It has taken me over 3 years to get this one that worked. The sinew job has to be damn near perfectly even and smooth and it takes a minimum of six months for the sinew to cure after it is layed down. Old literature states that it took 5 years to make a bow back in the day. It took me one day to make the horn/wood core. I sinewed it another day and waited for the sinew to cure. It took another whole day to clean up and tiller. I expect it will take another day or two to really finish it up right when I am satisfied it is a keeper.

            All of this is to just get the bow to a stage where it can be strung up and shot. I still have more work to do to finish it. The ends of the siyahs must be sanded and shaped and the siyahs either covered, painted or stained. The sinew will be covered with some type of protective backing (I am thinking either snake skin or stained birch bark). I wanted sturgin skin to be authentic (and it is really beautiful) but it doesn't look like I will be able to procur any. The whole bow will be covered with a couple layers of shellac for water proofing and the handle will be wrapped in a more decorative leather covering than I have now.

            Although authentic horn bows did not have arrow rests, I will probably put one on mine as well as a brass string nock to insure constant and repeatable arrow position.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Puddles
              Excellent! I remember the last time and how dissapointed you felt. Can you take some pics of this bow for us to see?
              I will take some picts tonight.

              Comment


              • #8
                OK, here it is. I took pictures of the horn belly, sinew back, the bow unstrung and the bow strung.
                Attached Files

                Comment


                • #9
                  That's some impressive work! About how many hours do you think you put into this one in total? I assume the 3 yrs. included the ones that didn't make it thsi far.

                  Your son's getting so big. What a cutie. :)

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I wish I had some kind of artistic talent like that ... :bravonew:

                    and yes the boy is a cutie ...

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Puddles
                      That's some impressive work! About how many hours do you think you put into this one in total? I assume the 3 yrs. included the ones that didn't make it thsi far.

                      Your son's getting so big. What a cutie. :)
                      LOL, I cheated a little on curing time on this one. I didn't want to spend years on it only to have it self-distruct like the last two.

                      I started this one in the second week of August so it took me just under 4 months.

                      If I had waited for the sinew to cure for a year or two, the bow would likely have held onto more of it's initial reflex instead of turning out almost straight (when unstrung).

                      When everything is done correctly and the sinew is cured for long enough, the bow looks like a letter C when unstrung. You flex it back across the bend to string it and this is part of why it stores so much energy.

                      When I finish it up, the horn will be polished completely smooth. You won't see all those sanding scratches. It will look like black glass. I will take more pictures when I finish it.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        that is a lot of work bro. good job

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          bump (to put the other bow thread in context)

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Nice work bro, looks pretty cool

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Wow spidey, I'm impressed. Black widow can kiss your butt, lol Makes me want to throw my compound away, after deer season of course ;)

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X