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I make this thread in light of the school in NICKEL MINES, PA. What is the deal. How are parents suppose to encourage thier kids to go to school, when it seems to the parents there is a "lottery" on school shootings. My son is still young, but at some point I will be making the decision between private and public school. I don't want to home school, but damn...
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This doesn't happen in other countries - it seems to be a uniquely American phenomenon with some spillover into Canada. We as a country needs to seriously examine why we have a propensity for this while other similar industrialized countries don't.... -
I know how you feel Bro. My son is in daycare and with everything that has been going on, I have given serious thought to having the wife quit work and stay at home with Chase and eventually home school him. I guess I will continue to let him go on in daycare, since he really loves it, and eventually let him go to school. About a month ago we moved back to the area that I grew up in, because the schools are some of the best in North Florida. Tallahasse has some good schools but it seems every other month or so you here of some kid bringing a gun or knife into one them around here. Not where I grew up though. It is very country and people still believe in a good ass beating when it comes to solving a childs temperment.Originally posted by ShibbyComment
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You expect your kids to remain in a safe environment when you send them off to school :(
Unfortunately home schooling isn't going to shield them from all the loons. The Amish school killings weren't even done by a student.Comment
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Neither was the one before in Colorado. Eventually it will come down to putting armed gaurds in schools. Geez...we have armored cars and gaurds for money...why not children?Originally posted by FitnessBratComment
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The press needs to stop giving so much coverage on these horrible events. All it does is give the other weirdo's ideas. BBComment
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I agree - somewhat. I don't think it gives them ideas, but I do think they see the previous "killers" somewhat "famous" and they want their turn to shine. There were several copycat cases of the Columbine killers....Originally posted by bonebreakerComment
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It also brings a much greater awarness of who is going in and out of the schools. If it's not an inner city, pauverty type, school, then it's kind of assumed to be in this bubble of safety. It's very easy for anyone to walk in the front door and down a hallway. There is so much constant traffic with students and adults, even during class time, that most people don't pay attention. My high school had and SRO the last couple years I was there and now most schools have them. I'm curious and a bit anxious to see what the new school safety discussion with the President entails.Comment
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indeed, and unfortunately, I'm not sure the answers will be easy to find, nor easy to bear. Guns are an integral part of American culture, or so it would seem to an outsider, and removing or changing cultures is no easy task.Originally posted by ScrumhalfComment
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Terrorism Incidents LinksOriginally posted by Scrumhalf
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Timeline of School Terrorism Incidents
The following is a listing of the incidents of terrorism involving schools or students that we have found evidence of from around the world. Incidents from prolonged and severe conflicts (such as the civil war in Turkey with over 300 school attacks or the current operation in Iraq) are left out, since these would heavily skew the list. To the author's knowledge, this is the most comprehensive listing of incidents available.
Despite the thorough research of the authors, there are certain to be incidents that are not included in this list, and more incidents are occurring around the world as time goes on. If you are aware of an incident that is not included in this list, please contact us by e-mail or using our contact form here.
Observations from the Research
In our research we found that incidents of school terrorism follow the trend set by terrorism in general - roughly 40% of attacks focus on transportation systems as targets. As evidenced by the attacks on September 11th, 2001 in the United States, March 11th 2004 in Madrid, Spain, and July 7th 2005 in London, England, public transportation is a favored target for terrorists. While transportation systems do not make up a majority of attacks, they do account for a large portion of them, and thusly we should be prepared for such attacks on our school transportation systems in the United States. The School Transporation News website security page has a large collection of information involving school buses and terrorism.
The Timeline
March 18, 1968 - Fatah terrorists in Israel set a land mine which later blew up a school bus, killing two children and injuring 28 others.
May 8, 1970 - Palestinian terrorists attacked an Israeli School bus killing nine children and three adults. Nineteen others were also crippled for life. The terrorists apparently knew the bus schedule and planned their attack based on this knowledge.
May, 1974 - Three Arab terrorists dressed as Israeli Defense Forces soldiers attacked a school in Ma’alot, Israel . They took hostages and killed twenty one school children along with several adults. Many of the casualties occurred when an elite unit of the Golani Brigade attempted a tactical response to rescue the hostages. This incident resulted in the formation of special tactical units within the Israel National Police.
1976 – French Foreign Legion troops and the French counterterrorism police unit GIGN executed a tactical assault to free twenty nine French children being held hostage in a school bus at the border of Djibouti and Somalia . One child and five terrorists were killed during the rescue operation.
May, 1977 – A group of four Moluccan terrorists took more than 100 students and school employees hostage in an elementary school in Bovendsmille, Holland . After fourteen days of patient negotiations, Dutch Royal Marines performed a successful tactical rescue and captured all four terrorists.
May, 1986 – In a bizarre incident, a man and his wife who both held extremist views and wished to create a “Brave New World” took students and teachers hostage at an elementary school in Cokeville , Wyoming using firearms and explosives. They shot a teacher in the back and accidentally detonated the device killing the wife and injuring some of the hostages.
February, 1993 – Terrorists detonate a vehicle bomb in the parking deck of the World Trade Center in an attempt to collapse both towers. Six people were killed and more than a thousand injured in the attack. Schools in the immediate area were affected by the event, but no students or staff were injured.
May, 1994 – four Chechens armed with grenades and firearms hijacked a bus filled with teachers, parents and children in Southern Russia . The hostages were released after a multi-million dollar ransom was paid.
April, 1995 – Shortly after parents had dropped their children off at a day care center located in the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City , a large car bomb detonated and destroyed half of the structure. Among the 168 people who were killed were children at the day care center. Area schools also suffered structural damage.
March, 1997 – Seven Israeli school girls were shot to death by a Jordanian soldier while on a field trip in Bakura , Jordan .
January, 1998 – A bombing in Algiers on a crowded street packed with students returning home from school killed one person and wounded several others.
March, 1998 – The American School in Amman , Jordan was rocked by an explosion believed to be the work of terrorists upset by the U.S. conflict with Iraq over U.N. arms inspections.
October 29, 1998 - An Israeli soldier was killed after a terrorist drove a car bomb into an army jeep the soldier was driving. The jeep was escorting a bus of 40 elementary school children from Kfar Darom, a settlement in the Gaza strip.
August, 1999 – An individual with extremist views opened fire in a childcare area of a Jewish community center in Los Angeles and killed several children. Police officers pursued the suspect who then shot and killed a Hispanic postal employee. The killings stem from the suspect’s anti-Semitic and racist views.
November, 2000 – A bomb targeting a school bus exploded in the Gaza Strip settlement of Kfar Darom killing two passengers and wounding twelve others, including five school children.
April, 2001 – A car bomb targeting a school bus exploded near the town of Nablus in the West Bank . One Palestinian was killed and another injured.
May 30, 2001 – A car bomb exploded outside a school where students were studying for exams. Injuries were lessened by the time of the incident, which was after most people had gone home. Eight people were injured in the attack .
September, 2001 – Two people died and three more were injured in a terrorist attack on a minibus loaded with school and kindergarten teachers near the Adam Junction in Israel .
September, 2001 – A terrorist bomber’s head rolled into a French-language school in Jerusalem as children were arriving to start their school day. The bomber, who was disguised as an Orthodox Jew, blew himself up and injured eleven people next to the school.
September, 2001 – A bomb thrown at Catholic school girls walking to class through a Protestant neighborhood in Ireland exploded. Four police officers who were escorting the children were injured.
November, 2001 – A Palestinian gunman killed two students and wounded more than forty other passengers when he attacked their bus with an M-16 rifle at a bus stop in Jerusalem . An armed bystander and members of the Israel Border Police stopped the attack when they killed the gunman.
March, 2002 – A terrorist homicide bomber killed seven and wounded dozens more when he blew himself up on a bus frequently used by Arab and Jewish school children, many of whom were injured.
March, 2002 – Five students were shot to death and twenty - three other people wounded in an attack by Palestinian terrorists on a pre-military high school in Atzmona , Israel .
May, 2002 – Twelve school children were among the victims killed in Dagestan when a large remote-controlled explosive device detonated as they passed it. Russian President Vladimir Putin compared the terrorists who carried out the attack to the Nazis.
June, 2002 – Two students were murdered and fifteen wounded by a gunman believed to be from an ethnic minority Karen rebel group in an attack on a school bus in Thailand .
June 18, 2002 – A homicide bomber detonated himself on a bus headed towards Jersusalem. The bus, which was carrying many students on their way to school, was destroyed, leaving nineteen dead and seventy-four others wounded.
August, 2002 – Three school employees and two school security personnel were killed by gunman in an attack on the Murree Christian School in Pakistan .
September 5, 2002 – Fatah terrorists fired shots from a crowded school towards a patrol of Israeli soldiers. One soldier was killed and another wounded.
October, 2002- During a series of sniper attacks in the Washington , D.C. area, the Beltway snipers killed ten people and wounded three others, causing significant panic in the region. On October, seventh, 2002, a thirteen year old boy was shot and wounded as he arrived at Benjamin Tasker Middle School in Bowie, Maryland. The shooting rampage ended when John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo were arrested and charged with some of the attacks. In March, 2004, Muhammad was sentenced to death after his conviction on terrorism statutes. Malvo was sentenced to life in prison.
November, 21, 2002 – A terrorist bomber killed eleven people and injured almost fifty others in Israel when he blew himself up on a bus crowded with school children. The terrorist group Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
April, 2003 – An explosion at a high school in Jennin, West Bank injured nearly thirty students. A radical Jewish group - Nikmat Olelim or “Revenge of the Infants” claimed responsibility for the incident saying the bomb was placed to avenge the murders of Jewish children by Palestinian terrorists.
February 22, 2004 - A Fatah attack on a bus in Jerusalem killed eight and wounded sixty more. Eleven of those wounded were school children.
June 28, 2004 – One adult and one child were killed when a rocket fired by Hamas terrorists in the Gaza strip detonated in a nursery school in Sderot.
September, 2004 – An attack by Chechen terrorists on a school in Belsan , Russia leaves hundreds dead and appears to be the largest terrorist attack on a school related target to date.
November 8, 2004 – A bomb went off damaging a Muslim elementary school in Eindhoven . No one was injured in the attack. Police feel that attack is related to a series of terrorist incidents in the region.Comment
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I'm sorry but this is a complete red herring. Palestinian terrorists blowing up a schoolbus is not the same as some random guy going postal in a school. I can't imagine why you would do this comparison - it is specious.Originally posted by Kayak Jones
School shootings are an American problem. We as Americans need to acknowledge it and figure out the root cause - what prompts American men and boys to act out their anger and frustration in this deadly manner. I don't see it happening in England or Switzerland or Australia - one can say maybe that the general population doesn't have guns. However, it doesn't happen in Israel where everyone has guns - note, I am not talking about a Palestinian terrorist here. I am talking about random angy Israeli male going into a school, shooting up a bunch of kids and then commiting suicide - it just doesn't happen. What is it about this country that prompts this?Comment
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Yeah, that's a really dumb idea. Can you imagine if a teacher pulled a gun out of their desk and shot a student? What a shitstorm that would cause. Really really bad idea.Originally posted by rado
I think that part of it, not all, is that we publicize this kind of behavior so much. I mean, if something like this happens, the media splashes their photo and names all over the fuckin place and their instantly famous. Then other kids like them see it and get even more bold and it just feeds their fire. Everyone knows about Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold from Columbine. These kids wanted to become mass murderers and be remembered forever for it. They got exactly what they wanted...notoriety. And our outstanding media gave it to them in less than a day. I think that the only thing the media should be allowed to report is that the incident happened. That's it. No names, no photos, no nothing about who did it. The media can cry all they want about freedom of the press. It's a moot point when that "freedom" is helping these kids realize some sick fantasy.Originally posted by Scrumhalf
Our country is also far too concerned with offending some people's delicate sensitivities. I think that every damn one of these kids who shows the signs that Harris and Klebolt showed should be automatically signed up in the Marines for four years regardless of whether they would actually do anything or not. Tough guys, huh? You want to kill people, huh? Here you go. We're going to put you on the front line. You can show how tough you are and get your fill of killing, accept this time they're going to be shooting back instead of cowering under a table while you blow their brains out. Little cocksuckers need some discipline. Now, I understand that not every one of these kids that show those kinds of signs are going to do what those two did, but every one of these kids who actually do what those two did, showed those same signs beforehand. We need to send the message that that kind of shit isn't going to be tolerated. Heavy handed...you bet...shooting innocent kids in a school isn't something we should respond to lightly. Respond swiftly and with severe consequence.
In countries like Israel nobody does this because they know that if they did, the families of the victims would kill their entire family, burn their house and turn it into a great big pile of goat shit...literally. They don't mess around over there.Last edited by babyblues; 10-06-06, 09:29 AM.Comment
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Right. What if the teacher shot another student by accident? And what would warrent the teacher showing the gun in the first place? No signed doctor's note? "I'll give you something to stay home sick for!" No hall pass? "Get the fuck out of the hall and into your classroom!" If a student pulls a gun in class the last thing you want is a shootout with a teacher in a classroom full of kids. They should give the teachers cattle prods. :DOriginally posted by radoComment
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The Erfurt massacre is the worst school shooting in Europe since a gunman killed 16 children and their teacher in Scotland in 1996.Originally posted by Scrumhalf
Detailed below are some of the worst incidents of the past decade.
Scotland, March 1996: Gun enthusiast Thomas Hamilton shoots 16 children and their teacher dead at their primary school in Dunblane, Scotland before killing himself.
Yemen, March 1997: A man with an assault rifle attacked hundreds of pupils at two schools in Sanaa, Yemen, killing six children and two others. He was sentenced to death the next day.
United States, October 1997: A 16-year-old boy fatally stabbed his mother before shooting dead two students, including his former girlfriend, at Pearl High School in Pearl, Mississippi.
United States, December 1997: A 14-year old boy killed three students attending a prayer meeting at Heath High School in West Paducah, Kentucky.
United States, March 1998: Two boys aged 13 and 11 killed four pupils and a teacher after setting off fire alarms at Westside Middle School in Jonesboro, Arkansas.
United States, April 1999: Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris killed 12 of their classmates and a teacher at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, before killing themselves.
Germany, November 1999: A 15-year-old student in Meissen, eastern Germany, stabbed his teacher to death after taking bets from classmates he would dare commit the crime.
He was later jailed for seven years.
Germany, March 2000: A 16-year-old pupil at a private boarding school in the Bavarian town of Branneburg, shot a 57-year-old teacher, who later died from injuries.
The teenager - who also shot himself - was facing expulsion from school after failing a cannabis test.
Germany, February 2002: A former pupil killed his headmaster and set off pipe bombs in the technical school he had recently been expelled from in Freising near Munich.
The man also shot dead his boss and a foreman at the company he worked for before turning the gun on himself. Another teacher was shot in the face, but survived.
Germany, April 2002: Seventeen people killed after a gunman - a former pupil - opens fire in a school in Erfurt, eastern Germany. He then turned the gun on himself.
You say that school shootings "are an american problem" and imply that we are the only country on the planet that suffers this problem. True, it is an american problem, but were are not alone. Red herring? Specious? Not at all. I just prefer when someone makes such a bold statement that they at least make an attempt to verify the accuracy of such a statement. Seems you didn't.Comment
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