Natural arnold..

[Bouncer]

Still has the the biceps and such but definitely not the arnold we are used too. There may be other factors here. May not have been training or eating right in the off season..

[NYCmitch25]

man where'd you find that pic

[beefcake]

Probably back when he was still competing in germany. Probably didn't start juicing till weider brought him over.

[Bouncer]

those pics are well after he left Austria.

[Chadd77]

How old is he in those pics?

[Bouncer]

they are from the late 70's so i would say he was 27 or 28 years old.

[Mr I]

he looks like Frank Zane!

Still looks awsome though, even without a back