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    Could Bush possibly make things any worse than they already are? Can he possibly send more American soldiers off to die for no just cause? It appears so.....

    America’s capital is once again abuzz with talk of war, not only of the latest strategy for victory in Iraq, but now also of military action against Iran. The harder it becomes to discern any rationality in the Bush administration’s
    actions, the louder the rumour mill grinds.

    Will Bush order an air and Special Forces attack on Iran? Ever since Bush’s State of the Union address at the end of January, hardly a day has passed without something happening in connection with Iran or without the Bush administration’s ratcheting up its rhetoric. Clearly, the US is also pressing ahead with preparations for an air strike. (A more extensive military commitment is scarcely possible, given how overstretched US ground forces already are.) Indeed, the confrontation with the Iranians in Iraq is visibly intensifying, and it may be gathering strength elsewhere as well. A bomb directed at the Iranian Revolutionary Guard recently exploded on Iran’s border with Afghanistan. And there are, of course, new attempts by the US to drum up evidence of an Iranian threat that may justify an attack.

    Is this all a bluff? The world could perhaps calmly wait for an answer, but for the fact that the progress of Iran’s nuclear programme and the approaching end of President Bush’s term might create an incalculable dynamic of its own. As with Iraq, America’s strength may be enough to start a war, but not to win it. But the consequences of a military adventure in Iran would far surpass those of the war in Iraq. Doing things by halves yet again in the Middle East would be the worst of all possible options — bad for the region and bad for its neighbours. The first among the neighbours affected would be Europe.

    So how has Europe, with its vital security interests at stake, responded to these developments? British prime minister Tony Blair has already adapted to the US administration’s new confrontational rhetoric. French President Jacques Chirac unguardedly speculated that an Iran with one or two nuclear bombs might not pose a serious threat, given the possibility of nuclear retaliation — his musings so startled French officials that they quickly jumped in to correct the president’s comments. German chancellor Angela Merkel gives speeches at security conferences that find favour in America, but otherwise Germany prefers to stay in the background.

    Across Europe, risk avoidance seems to be the order of the day, even at the expense of the common interest and NATO solidarity. The German navy is defending the Lebanese coast against Hezbollah, while other European nations bear the brunt of policing Lebanon on the ground. In Afghanistan, Germany, with its strong military presence in the north, has been turning a deaf ear to calls for help from the Canadian allies fighting a revived Taliban in the south.

    Germany now wants to send some Tornado jets for reconnaissance purposes — better than nothing, but not by much.

    In terms of security policy, Europe is stagnating, if not regressing, at the very moment when unity is needed more than ever. The Big Three of Europe and Germany, as the current EU president in particular, must find a way to act together in strategic security matters. If they don’t, Europe will largely cease to matter when the going gets rough. And the going is now getting quite rough in Iran and the Persian Gulf.

    Should Iran be attacked this year, the consequences will be borne first and foremost by the region, but also by Europe as the Middle East’s immediate western neighbour, and they will be felt for a long time to come. Indeed, Europe will have to share the costs if Iran prevails and becomes a nuclear power. So there is much at stake for the old continent. To be precise, two overriding EU security interests are at stake: avoiding a war with Iran and reventing Iran from becoming a nuclear power. These two apparently contradictory interests can be reconciled and translated into a common strategy by adopting a three-pronged approach based on efficient isolation, effective containment, and direct negotiations.

    The Europeans led by Merkel, Blair, and Chirac should agree to assure the US that Europe is ready to pay a high, perhaps very high, economic price by taking decisive action to intensify the sanctions against Iran. But they should offer this only on two strict preconditions: that the military option be taken off the table, and that all parties involved, including the US, enter into direct negotiations with Iran. The policy of isolation coupled with direct negotiations would be strengthened further by a common strategy towards Syria, aimed not at regime change, but at coalition change that is, drawing Syria away from its close alliance with Iran.

    It was both right and important that the EU Council of Foreign Ministers agreed on sanctions against Iran. Faced with the threat of financial sanctions, Iran’s political elite is increasingly realising the price of its confrontational course. It is imperative to further this process in a resolute manner, while at the same time rejecting military adventurism. It is up to Europe to prevent the two worst developments in Iran — war and nuclear armament — by acting jointly and with determination. Vital European and transatlantic interests are at stake. It is thus Europe’s responsibility and especially Germany’s, as the current EU president, to act now.

  • #2
    So are we going to see a draft now?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by beefcake
      So are we going to see a draft now?
      I just can't see them doing that because the war pigs children could possibly go to war, but on the other hand...how can you stretch the forces so thin w/o implementing some sort of draft...

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      • #4
        Forget sending troops....just bomb all their military sites and the sites where they develop weapons until there is nothing left but a fifty foot deep crater. That would set their military and nuclear ambitions back ten years.

        Then, a year or two later, repeat if they are stupid enough to start back up.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by hitmansb
          Forget sending troops....just bomb all their military sites and the sites where they develop weapons until there is nothing left but a fifty foot deep crater. That would set their military and nuclear ambitions back ten years.

          Then, a year or two later, repeat if they are stupid enough to start back up.
          You do that and the hundreds of agents Iran has in America will cause terror on a huge scale. 9/11 type terror. Its not as simple as bombing a country back to the stone age.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
            You do that and the hundreds of agents Iran has in America will cause terror on a huge scale. 9/11 type terror. Its not as simple as bombing a country back to the stone age.

            I agree. Our strong arm tactics on other nations has created a dominoe effect that will last lifetimes.

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            • #7
              Don't even get me started on this issue.

              The fact that Bush is even considering such military action just totally blows my mind. He deceived the American public & the UN w/ erroneous threats of WMD. And, nothing was ever found. Yet he continues to push the envelope while alienating more and more law makers; which makes it that much harder for Republicans and Democrats alike to see eye to eye and come up with a plausible solution.

              Now, don't get me wrong- I totally agree that sanctions should be imposed on Iran's nuclear development program. However, military action is not an option. We have already made a mess beyond comprehension in Iraq. And Afghanistan is not far behind. The only good thing about that situation is the citizens are fighting WITH the troops against the Taliban; not against them. And our leaders great solution is to create even more conflict and mayhem in the neighboring country??? I will bet that if we do impose a military strike of some sort, that North Korea would be supporting Iran's direct response. WW3- here we come. And you can guarantee there would be a draft.

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              • #8
                war with iran will bring back the draft - it would have to !! irans leader told the truth the other day when he said we could not wage war against them because we are stretched way to thin -

                point blank he is right and he knows it !!!! why do you think we are now doing closed door talks with syria and iran -- bush has our young men and women stretched beyond limit -

                we cant open up another can of worms -

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
                  You do that and the hundreds of agents Iran has in America will cause terror on a huge scale. 9/11 type terror. Its not as simple as bombing a country back to the stone age.
                  Maybe it's time for an anti terror secret police program??? Although, I figure it's probably already being implemented...will take time to train up that first wave of arab-american agents and then have them infiltrate. Gotta fight the war at home too...and to hell with political correctness...PROFILE like a mofo!!!

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                  • #10
                    the iranian people are just as pissed at their politicians as we are as ours

                    average iranian has mega problems, unemployment is high, there economy is not growing, they are producing 25% less oil than five years ago, lot's of bad stuff

                    it's the numbnutz leadership on both sides, who both have old line folks who still think about war in wwII terms, total idiocy

                    i'm like red don't get me started, all thru the fall i was so pissed, and couldn't stop talking about it

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by THE BOUNCER
                      You do that and the hundreds of agents Iran has in America will cause terror on a huge scale. 9/11 type terror. Its not as simple as bombing a country back to the stone age.
                      I dont think we have a choice.... Even if we use the same type of warfare we used in Iraq,we risk the terror threat.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by trip
                        the iranian people are just as pissed at their politicians as we are as ours

                        average iranian has mega problems, unemployment is high, there economy is not growing, they are producing 25% less oil than five years ago, lot's of bad stuff

                        EXACTLY. We've made a mess beyond biblical proportion in Iraq with the lack of jobs and level of insurgency. So, let's go ahead and wreak havoc on the neighboring country and create an even bigger region of unrest. Why are the politicians so eager to create more conflict, rather than solve one problem area at a time? How can they think ANYONE would support war like this after the virtual armegeddon they have created in Iraq?

                        And, WTF ever happened to "diplomacy"???? I understand that Iran is not complying with certain requests, but since when is the only alternate to go to war???

                        I read an article in Time recently about all of the possible presidential candidates, and I can't rememember which one proposed this plan for Iraq, but it seems like it's the only one that will minimize conflict. He said to basically split Iraq into 3 different countries. One for the Sunnis, one for the Kurds, and one for the Shiites. That really seems to me like the most viable option

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                        • #13
                          joe biden, he's been saying it for two or more years

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                          • #14
                            If we brought back the draft, there would be sooo many people leaving the country. Then what is there left to protect?

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                            • #15
                              Iran is basically arming itself with nuclear weapons and that is frightening given their potentially extremist beliefs. Whats GW supposed to do then?

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