question, how illegal is it...

[Machina]

1. Any non-military, non-police activity where you WANT body armor needs a few 2nd..3rd, and maybe 4th thoughts.

2. In most states it's legal for a civilian to own certain types of body armor. As long as you're not a convicted felon.

BTW being caught wearing body armor is going to count as probable cause for just about anything a police officer can find.

[alwaysgrowing]

bullet proof vests arent stab proof. and as machina stated, it is legal in most states unless a felon. Hence why Old dirty bastard got arrested one of the dozen times

[Machina]

Originally posted by Raw Lifter 1
Yeah I didnt see that...;)

BTW, my advise would be Fu** the bullet proof vest....buy a bigger gun!

A bigger gun isn't needed, just a tad bit of skill. A double or triple tap(hit within roughly the size of a spread out hand) will penetrate most vests. Much of a vests protection is destroyed when it actually stops a bullet, and weakens a fairly large area. So learning to fire triple tap center of mass will get through body armor.

[bigpetefox]

You need an FFL to own body armour, and it has to be a certain class of ba to begin with.. Like, a Class 3 Point Blank kevlar with SpectraShield covering and trauma plates might be questionable if found in a regular shmoe's trunk.. :)

This is of course what I was told in my state, it depends..

[blm]

Originally posted by alwaysgrowing
bullet proof vests arent stab proof.

Are you trying to say that a protective armor plate will stop a 9mm but it will allow a knife blade to penetrate it?

[Raw Lifter 1]

Originally posted by Machina
A bigger gun isn't needed, just a tad bit of skill. A double or triple tap(hit within roughly the size of a spread out hand) will penetrate most vests. Much of a vests protection is destroyed when it actually stops a bullet, and weakens a fairly large area. So learning to fire triple tap center of mass will get through body armor.

I was being scarcastic....:D

I am very well aware how to shoot through a bp vest.....;) ......btw I shot my old vest with a 45. 4 times from 10ft away and barely tore a fiber.

Depends on what kind of vest you have...as you said.

[Raw Lifter 1]

Originally posted by blm
Are you trying to say that a protective armor plate will stop a 9mm but it will allow a knife blade to penetrate it?

Im not sure about a plate, but it will penetrate the material of the vest. You can generate much more force ppsi with the tip of a knife.

[Machina]

Vest material is designed to prevent pentration beyond a certain distance into a person's body. That distance is the mininum distance needed to cause internal trauma. While a vest may prevent a bullet from passing all the way, once it's weakened it will be like getting hit with a dull pickaxe.

This is mostly in regards to what are classed as "soft" body armor that's become popular in the last few decades.

And yes, many soft armor vests aren't stab proof. That's usually an added hard layer or thin metal mesh that's not on all models available.

[alwaysgrowing]

Originally posted by blm
Are you trying to say that a protective armor plate will stop a 9mm but it will allow a knife blade to penetrate it?

yea. different type of force

[blm]

It may penetrate the fabric of the vest, but it isn't going to pierce the armor plates.

[Blackdream71]

Re: question, how illegal is it...

Originally posted by Doom
to have a bullet proof vest? just curious here, Im picking one up tonight, for safety reasons, just wanted to know if I for some reason should get caught wearing it, what am I gonna be looking at, charges wise

mind you its my best interest to have this on for a while

LOL, you crazy ass honky......:D

[Shibby]

50 cent baught one fro his son. But I was reading and it talks about in calif it is illegal only if your a felon or a minor.

[Raw Lifter 1]

12370. (a) Any person who has been convicted of a violent felony, as defined in subdivision (c) Section 667.5 under the laws of the United States, the State of California, or any other state, government, or country, who purchases, owns, or possesses body armor, as defined by Section 942 of Title 11 of the California Code of Regulations, except as authorized under subdivision (b), is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years.
(b) Any person whose employment, livelihood, or safety is dependent on the ability to legally possess and use body armor, who is subject to the prohibition imposed by subdivision (a) due to a prior violent felony conviction, may file a petition with the chief of police or county sheriff of the jurisdiction in which he or she seeks to possess and use the body armor for an exception to this prohibition. The chief of police or sheriff may reduce or eliminate the prohibition, impose conditions on reduction or elimination of the prohibition, or otherwise grant relief from the prohibition as he or she deems appropriate, based on the following:
(1) A finding that the petitioner is likely to use body armor in a safe and lawful manner.
(2) A finding that the petitioner has a reasonable need for such protection under the circumstances.
In making its decision, the chief of police or sheriff shall consider the petitioner's continued employment, the interests of justice, any relevant evidence, and the totality of the circumstances. It is the intent of the Legislature that law enforcement officials exercise broad discretion in fashioning appropriate relief under this paragraph in cases in which relief is warranted. However, nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to require law enforcement officials to grant relief to any particular petitioner. Relief from this prohibition shall not relieve any other person or entity from any liability that might otherwise be imposed.
(c) The chief of police or sheriff shall require, as a condition of granting an exception under subdivision (b), that the petitioner agree to maintain on his or her person a certified copy of the law enforcement official's permission to possess and use body armor, including any conditions or limitations.
(d) Law enforcement officials who enforce the prohibition specified in subdivision (a) against a person who has been granted relief pursuant to subdivision (b), shall be immune from any liability for false arrest arising from the enforcement of this subdivision unless the person has in his or her possession a certified copy of the permission granting the person relief from the prohibition, as required by subdivision (c). This immunity from liability shall not relieve any person or entity from any other liability that might otherwise be imposed.
(e) For purposes of this section only, "violent felony" refers to the specific crimes listed in subdivision (c) of Section 667.5, and to crimes defined under the applicable laws of the United States or any other state, government, or country that are reasonably equivalent to the crimes listed in subdivision (c) of Section 667.5.

[Raw Lifter 1]

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/dwcl/12360.htm

California AG's office

[Shibby]

^ Well that explains everything :wacko: