What the fuck????

[NewbieChris]

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In what fucking socialist cock sucking country do we live??? WHAT THE HELL????:drunk::drunk::drunk::drunk::drunk::drunk: :drunk::drunk:

[Bouncer]

I don't know Chris, when Sana would go to work in Manhattan she took the train. There was zero security, anyone could get on the train with anything they wanted. I was always scared for her.

[NewbieChris]

Maybe we should put check points along all major high ways with military police to patrol roads...just in case a crazy sniper wants to shoot at cars on a highway. Maybe we should put armed guards on buses? Maybe we should have armed guards constantly roaming beaches...F-22's flying over head to make sure a terrorist controlled plane can't crash into a building? Where does it stop? What is safe enough? How much freedom and convenience do we give up for protection?

I am furious about this. All I can say is I don't think I will be taking a train anytime soon because of this. I know I would get into a verbal disagreement with some machine gun toting rent a cop...

[Bouncer]

i hear what your saying but when you actually are in that situation and going into a city like NYC things get put into perspective. something that holds as many people as a train does should at least have some kind of security.

i hear what your saying and i agree to a point, its just that when it is you and yours on the train, a little security makes you feel a bit better.

[NewbieChris]

A little security? We went from none to something like what they have in Israel. That may work for a country in the East Asia, but not here. I want to make it clear I am not telling you how to feel when I say this. However, its not like I don't have cousins who live in NYC and commute there. I have taken a train across the country...Post 9/11 and before. I honestly wouldn't feel any safer. I feel the same way about airport security. Having gone through it so many times, I can tell you it means nothing to me. I put my bag on conveyor belt. I could EASILY have something in my pockets. And I've NEVER been stopped. In fact, I had a water bottle in a pair of water in cargo shorts one time flying from LAX to Philly. Not because I wanted to be an ass, but because I'm used to having things there and I didn't even realize I had it until I walked through.

[Bouncer]

A little security? We went from none to something like what they have in Israel. That may work for a country in the East Asia, but not here. I want to make it clear I am not telling you how to feel when I say this. However, its not like I don't have cousins who live in NYC and commute there. I have taken a train across the country...Post 9/11 and before. I honestly wouldn't feel any safer. I feel the same way about airport security. Having gone through it so many times, I can tell you it means nothing to me. I put my bag on conveyor belt. I could EASILY have something in my pockets. And I've NEVER been stopped. In fact, I had a water bottle in a pair of water in cargo shorts one time flying from LAX to Philly. Not because I wanted to be an ass, but because I'm used to having things there and I didn't even realize I had it until I walked through.

i hear ya and like i said i agree with your point. but at least on a plain, you cant just walk on with a bomb in your bag. on trains, you could do just that without a problem.

the article you posted with the automatic weapons and such is a little extreme, i agree. but i would like to see at least some type of security over what we have now on trains which is none.

[NewbieChris]

Well you are seeing security, because the gun toting rent a cop is the tentative plan. And on a plane you CAN walk your bag on, and even then, the water bottle is all you need to create a small bomb. Its all really more of a 'feeling' of safety than anything, IMO.

[Bouncer]

just admit that a plane at least has a certain level of security whereas a train has none at all.

[NewbieChris]

I agree with that. I don't know. It just doesn't make me feel any safer when I'm on the plane. Either way I'm over it. I slept that shit off, even though I still think its ridiculous.

[Timber]

Personally I think Video cameras in every public facility would be a greater value not just for terrorist issues but crime in general. Your a lot less likely to be robed if the perp thinks he is on tape somewhere. The world has changed and your freedom has a price & some of the price is freedom itself. You're simply going to have to learn to live with it.

[Shibby]

My take is this, if I am out in public somewhere with my son there isn't a thing I wouldn't do to protect him. If that means having him see guys with guns and explaining it to him versus him being blown up, fine with me. That's just the world we live in now. If we don't adapt and try too hard to hang on to the past we will end up being at constant war and everything will look like a third world country.

I wish the world was safe enough to leave my door unlocked all the time, but that's not going to happen.

[NewbieChris]

The world has changed and your freedom has a price & some of the price is freedom itself. You're simply going to have to learn to live with it.

Actually, no the world has not changed. There have been terrorist since the beginning of time. There has been the threat of danger and attack for nearly 150 years. War, disillusionment, everything has all been there.

I think it was Ben Franklin who said, "Those that would give up freedom in the name of safety deserve neither." Price my fucking ass. When you take away freedoms you take away the very thing you claim to be saving. Its terribly moronic logic.

My take is this, if I am out in public somewhere with my son there isn't a thing I wouldn't do to protect him. If that means having him see guys with guns and explaining it to him versus him being blown up, fine with me. That's just the world we live in now. If we don't adapt and try too hard to hang on to the past we will end up being at constant war and everything will look like a third world country.

I wish the world was safe enough to leave my door unlocked all the time, but that's not going to happen.

See, fear is a major component used by the government, media, whatever to control the masses. Have either of you ever visited an East Asian country? Israel? Egypt? The ratio of being blown up by a terrorist vs. not is pretty goddam slim. By letting your fear of such a thing allow you to give up freedoms you have, you are telling terrorists their actions are working.

[Shibby]

See, fear is a major component used by the government, media, whatever to control the masses. Have either of you ever visited an East Asian country? Israel? Egypt? The ratio of being blown up by a terrorist vs. not is pretty goddam slim. By letting your fear of such a thing allow you to give up freedoms you have, you are telling terrorists their actions are working.

First you will think different once you have kids. Also being in another country and having a terrorist attack is not the same as here. We are a giant bulls eye. Some of it is media bull shit, but 9/11 still happened, the bombings in England still happened, so the lack of security and the potential of something happening do not sit well with me.


Do you leave your doors unlocked all the time?

[The_Grinder]

I just read the article. Didn't seem that bad. Considering the do some test to detect for explosives before they decide to even open your bag or not, I wouldn't have a problem with it as long as they stick to their word of the delay only being a couple of minutes.

[Timber]

[QUOTE=NewbieChris;426150]Actually, no the world has not changed. There have been terrorist since the beginning of time. There has been the threat of danger and attack for nearly 150 years. War, disillusionment, everything has all been there.

I think it was Ben Franklin who said, "Those that would give up freedom in the name of safety deserve neither." Price my fucking ass. When you take away freedoms you take away the very thing you claim to be saving. Its terribly moronic logic.

I guess I just have a different perspective on things than you