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[redsquirrel]

I'll be the first woman to comment on this...

First of all, the "She hit me first defense" is BULLSHIT. I don't care if she beat you over the head with a frying pan, you don't touch her!

Second of all, you are at least 10x's stronger and more powerful than she is. Which already makes you a threat without you laying a finger on her.

When my husband and I get into a fight, I'll be honest and say even though he's never laid a finger on me, I still feel threatened when we get in an argument. He has no history of violence, but it is extremely intimidating for a woman to have a serious or heated discussion with a muscle monster and not be afraid. I work out just as hard as he does, and sure, I'm strong too. BUT the difference is I know he could crush me like a bug...and that's what everyone sees..that's what the cops see, that's what her friend saw...they saw potential for violence. Shoving her, the door, etc.

I'm not condoning what she did...what she did is not the way to resolve anything. It sounds to me as though it was a destructive relationship and things could have ended up much worse.

[stormshadow]

If a bitch hits you, then she deserves what she gets. But don't do it unless you can get away with it.


Hits you in the head with a frying pan and walk away? get back to reality.

[Auriflex]

I would have embraced her anger with love. Because that's what I do best.

Plus, it's hard to be combative when someone is hugging you and whispering that they love you and stuff. It takes the fight right out of them.

[Timber]

Originally posted by redsquirrel
I'll be the first woman to comment on this...

First of all, the "She hit me first defense" is BULLSHIT. I don't care if she beat you over the head with a frying pan, you don't touch her!

This is such a load of crap. Let me tell you something right know if any woman doesn’t want to get hit you better god dam not raise a hand yourself. I have seen woman in action that can put a beating on a guy. Woman think there is some kind of a code that a guy can’t hit a woman and then take advantage of that. They think they can go and hit a guy and not get hit back. I have no problem clocking a broad that thinks she is gona attack me and not get hit back. I would never raise a hand to a woman 1st but if a woman attacks me all bets are off. If you don’t want to be hit then don’t hit me because I will respond as I see fit. Woman are the nastiest, dirtiest fighters I have ever seen in action and they can do some serious damage before you realize its time to protect yourself. This bullshit about not hitting woman that attack you is just that. I’ll say it again If you don’t want to get clocked keep your fucking hands to your self

[stormshadow]

Amen Brother !

[hitmansb]

Women shouldn't be swinging on guys...no doubt. I think a simple shove or restraint hold is perfectly acceptable as self-defense, as it allows a man his right to prevent himself from being injured...while at the same time not placing the woman in any real danger of being seriously hurt. The justice system has been slow to adapt to being blind to gender...so guys just have to be really careful about not overdoing it when defending themselves. That being said, any man should cut a woman loose if this is her way of dealing with her anger, because it's not worth the potential legal hassle of trying to prove that you were only defending yourself. Even if you go to court and win, which is hard enough, you still loose because of the hit your reputation takes (unfarily) and the money you have to pay your lawyer.

[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by stormshadow
Amen Brother !

Storm and Timber- I feel sorry for your girlfriends- If you even have one. If you re-read my post, I don't think it says there that women can beat the shit out of a guy and he can't life a finger to defend himself, now did I? WTF?

All bets are off if she hits you? Wow...that sounds pretty psychotic. The only thing a woman could do that is dirty is a swift kick to the nuts. You tell me how a woman would win a fight with any man. Men are ten times stronger and have better instincts when it comes to fighting. I about fell out of my chair when I read your post. "Oh, it's ok to hit her if she hits first!" It almost sounds as if the intent is for a man to provoke a woman enough, which you ALL have down to a science, to get her to hit him first, so his actions will be justified. You talk about a load of crap? Instead of doing something like what hitman said; hold her arms and restrain her or guide her to a separate room to cool off. ..you see fit to beath the fuck out of a woman who is 1/2 your size and 1/4 of your strength. Does that make you feel like a real man?

[kwik20r]

Looks like the tempers are brimming on this one... Probably because some people have previous experience with these situations. Calm down people, this was O2BESOHUGES vent post ;). Coming from a home where my father beat my mother within inches of her life and I had to step up to the plate at 15 years old to stand up for her to finally make it stop (violently I must admit), I know firsthand how strong emotions can be regarding the subject. Redsquirrel, I think Timber and the other dude were so vehement because at first glance it could be assumed your opinion was that you were using double standards (i.e, it's okay for a woman to strike a man, but not vice versa). Timber, I don't think this was Redsquirrels intention. But it's not something to be at each others throats about... I don't think it has anything to do with them feeling like a "real man", I think they felt it was an injustice... My personal opinion is that when you can maul somebody, the authorities are going to ream you if you strike them. Is it okay for a woman to start swinging? No. Is it okay to manhandle them if they do? No, not really... nobody is the "winner" if it comes to that. Best thing to do with a violent woman is just grab her wrists, get ready to twist to one side or the other to avoid a kick in the balls, sit her down, and not be too rough in the process. If you've trained in martial arts with submissions, DON'T USE THEM, if I put someone in a guillotine and choked them out, THATS ASSAULT. If they're hellbent on attacking you, you call the cops and keep your distance... because you can BET that if it escalates YOU'LL be the one in jail if you don't.

[inkman]

Now you are missing the point redsquirrel. They did not say to beat the womens ass they just said the women has no right to hit the man period. If they can hit us we can;t defend ourselves wake the fudk up. That is bullshit. My exphysco bitch swung a large hard women boot at me and hit me in the arm. I pushed her onto the bed and backed away and told her to fucken relax. She called the cops the next day and had be arrested for spousal abuse but you know what the DA dropped the case cause of lack of evidence and because the bitch struck first at me not to mention the bottle of perfume she broke behind me on the wall shattering me with glass.

Let me close this by saying I have never struck a women the 45 years I have been breathing and I never will. I was raised to belive that a man never hits a women. However we do not have to get abused by these fucken nuts and take it.

You spend 3 days in the felony section of a jail and tell me how you feel then. I never even had a fucken record before that..

The laws in most states favor now and the women are getting away with murder when it comes to DV cases.

[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by inkman
Now you are missing the point redsquirrel. They did not say to beat the womens ass they just said the women has no right to hit the man period. If they can hit us we can;t defend ourselves wake the fudk up. That is bullshit. My exphysco bitch swung a large hard women boot at me and hit me in the arm. I pushed her onto the bed and backed away and told her to fucken relax. She called the cops the next day and had be arrested for spousal abuse but you know what the DA dropped the case cause of lack of evidence and because the bitch struck first at me not to mention the bottle of perfume she broke behind me on the wall shattering me with glass.

Let me close this by saying I have never struck a women the 45 years I have been breathing and I never will. I was raised to belive that a man never hits a women. However we do not have to get abused by these fucken nuts and take it.

You spend 3 days in the felony section of a jail and tell me how you feel then. I never even had a fucken record before that..

The laws in most states favor now and the women are getting away with murder when it comes to DV cases.

I don't think I am missing the point. I do believe Timber said "it's on" if she starts swinging. Not once did he say he'd grab her by the wrists and diffuse the situation. He said he has no problem "clocking a broad". ...when a man 'clocks a broad' that pretty much is beating her ass because 9 times out of 10 she's not getting up.Again, putting words in MY mouth.

Not once did I say you shouldn't defend yourself. What I DID say is just because a woman hits a man (which I'm not syaing is right or that it's not a double standard) does not give him the right to haul off and crack her due to the strength and force a man has over a woman. Men do have to show restraint in these cases because they are so overpowering.

I 100% agree with kwik on how to diffuse a potentially wreckless situation. The whole "I respond as I see fit" comment and "If a woman hits me, all bets are off" pretty much tells me jsut that. The way you diffused the situation was the right way, and I do not view that as violent whatsoever.

My personal favorite comment was " don't hit the bitch unless you can get away with it". If that's not condoning violence, then I don't know what the hell it is.

[Timber]

Originally posted by Timber
If you don’t want to be hit then don’t hit me because I will respond as I see fit.

I think this is the comment I made. If your gona quote me, Quote me. Don’t post your interpretation of what I said and call it a Quote.


By the way I have been with my wife for over 20 years and have never touched he once.


You sound like one of those man hateing chicks that think Men are responcable for everything wrong in your life

[Timber]

Originally posted by redsquirrel
Storm and Timber- I feel sorry for your girlfriends- If you even have one. If you re-read my post, I don't think it says there that women can beat the shit out of a guy and he can't life a finger to defend himself, now did I? WTF?

All bets are off if she hits you? Wow...that sounds pretty psychotic. The only thing a woman could do that is dirty is a swift kick to the nuts. You tell me how a woman would win a fight with any man. Men are ten times stronger and have better instincts when it comes to fighting. I about fell out of my chair when I read your post. "Oh, it's ok to hit her if she hits first!" It almost sounds as if the intent is for a man to provoke a woman enough, which you ALL have down to a science, to get her to hit him first, so his actions will be justified. You talk about a load of crap? Instead of doing something like what hitman said; hold her arms and restrain her or guide her to a separate room to cool off. ..you see fit to beath the fuck out of a woman who is 1/2 your size and 1/4 of your strength. Does that make you feel like a real man?

You know you make me mental with you Delusional comments. , Hear on planet Earth females can be 6 foot and 230 pounds and males can be 5’4” and 130 pounds. You must think all females are 5’ 2” 100 pounds and helpless.

According to your comment you feel its Ok to hit a guy because we have provoking woman down to a science. What the hell kind of a comment is that?

I don’t believe I said anything about beating the fuck out of a woman 1/2 my size In fact I don't think I said anything about beating the fuck out of woman.

My comments are based on self defense and have nothing to do with spousal abuse. You seem to want to paint this picture that all woman are helpless victims of violent men. Do you have any Idea how many men are victims of physical spousal abuse from there wives and female companions most of which goes unreported.

We have a random case hear 2 years ago 1 woman 23 years old and 112 pounds beat a guy so bad at a public event that he is suffering from permanent brain damage and the loss of and eye because the girl kicked him in the face so brutally that she split his scull. Her reason for the beating was the guy looked to gay for her but sadly his wife and kids have to take care of him now.

Don’t you dare tell me how helpless a woman is and how any man doesn't have the right to defend himself ageist any assault regardless of gender.

If I have a 5”10” 200 pound broad coming at me with big tits and a fat ass and mad as a hornet looking to kill me I’m gona pick something up and hit her as hard as I can with it and ask questions later

[Timber]

1st you say this

Originally posted by redsquirrel
I'll be the first woman to comment on this...

First of all, the "She hit me first defense" is BULLSHIT. I don't care if she beat you over the head with a frying pan, you don't touch her!

and then you say this

Originally posted by redsquirrel
Storm and Timber- I feel sorry for your girlfriends- If you even have one. If you re-read my post, I don't think it says there that women can beat the shit out of a guy and he can't life a finger to defend himself, now did I? WTF?

So tell me what exactly do you mean.

You told me to go back and read your post and I'm sorry it says exactly what you said it didn't say

This would also be the post that I responded my 1st comment to

[playthegame]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Timber
1st you say this

Originally posted by redsquirrel
I'll be the first woman to comment on this...

First of all, the "She hit me first defense" is BULLSHIT. I don't care if she beat you over the head with a frying pan, you don't touch her!

and then you say this
[quote]
Originally posted by redsquirrel
Storm and Timber- I feel sorry for your girlfriends- If you even have one. If you re-read my post, I don't think it says there that women can beat the shit out of a guy and he can't life a finger to defend himself, now did I? WTF?

So tell me what exactly do you mean.

You told me to go back and read your post and I'm sorry it says exactly what you said it didn't say

This would also be the post that I responded my 1st comment to

Things that make you go, HHHUUUMMM!!

[redsquirrel]

What I meant was, and apparently still haven't conveyed it properly was, defend yourself, but with restraint. I interpreted your post as "Eye for an eye". I interpreted as if a woman hits you over the head w/ a frying pan, it's ok to do the same to her. When I said you don't touch her, I meant don't "clock her"...

Which, in this case I just don't think applies. I have no problem with a man holding a woman so she can't further attack him...holding her down, grabbing her arms, legs, whatever.

As skewed and one sided as this is, unfortunately for a man to do to a woman what she does to him, always carries more consequence. Not only for the woman (because MOST women can't fight like a man) but for the man also. IMO, it's the man's responsibility to diffuse the situation without further contact or violence. Unfair as it may be, men are just flat out stronger. Not saying that there are some seriously psychotic and violent females...That being said, I have never hit a man...for the reason we are discussing...I'm too afraid of the repurcussions. Some women have the balls and the to clock a guy. But I just don't think he has the right to hit her in the manner he was hit. I know it's a double standard. But as I've said before, the consequences are much greater when the tables are turned.