This looks like a cool place to see

[NewbieChris]

how is the training going? what are you training today? what has your meals looked like today and what time did you get up? :)

now shut the fuck up with your omnipotent horse shit and use your mind to focus on your body.

Everything went well today, I would tell you if it didn't. Although I am tempted to order a pizza for dinner. I think if I did that though, I would be more pissed off at myself than I was the day I totaled my first M3.

[NewbieChris]

Does his power to change his mind/events (omnipotent) conclude he is not omniscient.

No.

I love talking about this kind of stuff, btw I certainly don't give religion the get out of jail free card.

[Bouncer]

Although I am tempted to order a pizza

[NewbieChris]

They didn't reach you in those remedial reading classes, did they? :drunk:

[Bouncer]

dont know what remedial means so i guess the answer is no. :)

[NewbieChris]

dont know what remedial means so i guess the answer is no. :)

I like that picture. I think I'll change the quote and make it my background.

[Shibby]

No.

I love talking about this kind of stuff, btw I certainly don't give religion the get out of jail free card.

:rolleyes: umm it's not a yes or no answer, it's a conjecture.

[Bouncer]

"conjecture". do you people make this shit up?

[Shibby]

It's similar to a paradox


Main Entry:
1con·jec·ture Listen to the pronunciation of 1conjecture
Pronunciation:
\kən-ˈjek-chər\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin conjectura, from conjectus, past participle of conicere, literally, to throw together, from com- + jacere to throw — more at jet
Date:
14th century

a: inference from defective or presumptive evidence b: a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork c: a proposition (as in mathematics) before it has been proved or disproved

[NewbieChris]

It's similar to a paradox


Main Entry:
1con·jec·ture Listen to the pronunciation of 1conjecture
Pronunciation:
\kən-ˈjek-chər\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin conjectura, from conjectus, past participle of conicere, literally, to throw together, from com- + jacere to throw — more at jet
Date:
14th century

a: inference from defective or presumptive evidence b: a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork c: a proposition (as in mathematics) before it has been proved or disproved

He's being sarcastic.

[NewbieChris]

:rolleyes: umm it's not a yes or no answer, it's a conjecture.

I don't agree. Having the ability to change everything and know what will happen if you change things doesn't stop you from being omnipotent.

[Shibby]

I don't agree. Having the ability to change everything and know what will happen if you change things doesn't stop you from being omnipotent.

Again, it's not about if he is one or the other. It's about questioning their coexistence and therefore questioning the existence of god. You say you love talking about this, but it seems to me you love trying to make your point without trying to understand where the other point of view comes from; even if you don't agree with it. I keep trying to explain to you what the quote is about and you keep trying to say it's wrong when there is no right or wrong answer.

[NewbieChris]

Again, it's not about if he is one or the other. It's about questioning their coexistence and therefore questioning the existence of god. You say you love talking about this, but it seems to me you love trying to make your point without trying to understand where the other point of view comes from; even if you don't agree with it. I keep trying to explain to you what the quote is about and you keep trying to say it's wrong when there is no right or wrong answer.

No, I just don't agree that the two have to exist exclusively of each other. Why would I argue the opposite position of the one I hold? My point has been that his ability to have all knowledge and the ability to act on that knowledge is not ridiculous. Having certainty in the results of your experiment, yet still performing said experiment does not mean that the even never took place.

That is the beauty of what an omnipotent being is.

[Shibby]

I will just type the part of the book it is from and leave it at that.


"All three of these arguments rely upon the idea of a regress and invoke god to terminate it. They make the entirely unwarranted assumption that god himself is immune to the regress. Even if we allow the dubious luxury of arbitrarily conjuring up a terminator to an infinite regress and giving it a name, simply because we need one, there is absolutely no reason to endow that terminator with any of the properties normally ascribed to god: omnipotence, omniscience, goodness, creativity of design, to say nothing of such human attributes as listening to prayers, forgiving sins and reading innermost thoughts. Incidentally, it has not escaped the notice of logicians that omniscience and omnipotence are mutually incompatible. If god is omniscient, he must already know how he is going to intervene to change the course of history using his omnipotence. But that means he can't change his mind about his intervention, which means he is not omnipotent. Karen Owens has captured this witty little paradox in equally engaging verse:

Can omniscient God, Who
Knows the future, find
The omnipotence to
Change His future mind?"

[NewbieChris]

If god is omniscient, he must already know how he is going to intervene to change the course of history using his omnipotence. But that means he can't change his mind about his intervention, which means he is not omnipotent.

What logic dictates the bolded section to be 100% true.