It's a boy

[Shibby]

I think the name is interesting myself, and I like it, but from the little bit I know about it, I will say this, it appears that your wife is the one making all the decisions. She's polish? And you are American, but the Kid is getting a complete polish name? Why not have a polish first name and an american middle name? You might as well just be a sperm donor - sounds like the wifey is runnin' shit.

As you have made it so clear of your maturity constantly, I will take this for what it's worth. I am very proud to have a Polish wife and the person she is means a lot to me. My son's will be raised in America so it's not going to be in question and guess what else... They all have my last name. The FAMILY name.

[Bouncer]

Just to be clear on my side, the some dog comment was my way of showing how things can sound when coming from the outside. I am sure you consider your dogs name a lot before you name it. It has a lot of personal meaning when you pick one. So when you tell someone what they like sucks and try to make them feel stupid for liking it, it will not sit well. Don't worry about it though, one thing isn't going to turn me away from here. :) Except if Rado comes back :D

i see what you are saying and it was stupid of me to say it. wasnt thinking how it would come across.

[SonofBone]

Congratulations to you and your wife Shibby.

I'm not going to get too deep into the whole name game thing. I kind of like the 1st name. I'm not as much of a fan of having both names, but it is none of my business. Most importantly, I hope your wife and baby are healthy and happy after the delivery.

[Shibby]

To us, middle names are a way to bring more family traditions into it. If we would have had a girl we were not going to have a middle name because my wife doesn't have a middle name and neither do either of our moms. My middle name is the last name of my mom and her side of the family and my brother's middle name is the same as my dad's middle name and some other people on my dad's side. My oldest son has the same middle name as me but with a Polish spelling and Seweryn's middle name is the same as my wife's dad.

[NewbieChris]

you may be right but it a pretty well known fact that kids pick on other kids especially when they are different. the red head kid, the kid that has old clothes, the kid that cry's, etc.. kids can be tough.

again, i am not saying that he should purposely try and make him blend in with an "American name". being different is what is great about this country, we can be as different as we want.

i was just thinking about how kids can be mean and i typed it out in a way that was a bit ignorant and stupid.

Honestly, I can tell you it is their attitude. This is not the first time I have worked with children I have been doing volunteer work with kids since I was 19. Ages ranging from 5 to 14. The things I try to teach these kids are reactions to what happens. Of course a kid is going to pick out something that makes you different and make fun of it. They all do it to each other. How the child reacts is what really matters. For instance, today on the bus ride to the Franklin Institute one kid had some wrestling action figures. He and a buddy were playing with them. A kid yells at him, "Zion! Why do you like playing with naked men?!" This is across the bus. The kid screams it again with a "you are so gay." At the end.

Does Zion react, no. Does the kid continue, no. My point is that no matter what he is going to get a hard time about something. A name, which is important to parents and can define who you become, is hardly something to scoff at.

[Bouncer]

Honestly, I can tell you it is their attitude. This is not the first time I have worked with children I have been doing volunteer work with kids since I was 19. Ages ranging from 5 to 14. The things I try to teach these kids are reactions to what happens. Of course a kid is going to pick out something that makes you different and make fun of it. They all do it to each other. How the child reacts is what really matters. For instance, today on the bus ride to the Franklin Institute one kid had some wrestling action figures. He and a buddy were playing with them. A kid yells at him, "Zion! Why do you like playing with naked men?!" This is across the bus. The kid screams it again with a "you are so gay." At the end.

Does Zion react, no. Does the kid continue, no. My point is that no matter what he is going to get a hard time about something. A name, which is important to parents and can define who you become, is hardly something to scoff at.

i agree with that. attitude influences all situations not only when you are a kid.

[toolwtf]

Yes, I am polish and he is american. We gave our first son polish first and middle name; therefore, we decided to do the same with the other one. I don't think that having an american middle name would make a big difference, do you always say your middle name when you introduce yourself?

Whoa. WE gave our first son a polish first and middle name? Or did YOU do that? That was my point. It appears to me that YOU are the one who names the children. I highly doubt that Shibby came up with a polish name. Right? Shibby probalby doesn't know the difference from a polish middle name and a polish sausage, lets be honest.

To answer your other question. Yes, in america, middle names are important. I was given my Father's first name to carry on the tradition and my middle name is the name I actually go by. My mom wanted my middle name and my father wanted me to have my first name so they worked together and compromised. Maybe in Poland, middle names aren't important, but they are in the states.

For the record, I live in the UK now. And I have been to Poland 3 times. I will say, your children are very blessed to be raised in the USA, very blessed, because Poland is a very poor and run down country. Most of the poles have migrated to the UK and other places nearby because they want to get out. No jobs, no industry, it is similar to Mexico vs. the USA.

I apologize for calling Shibby a sperm donor, I was out of line and little bit angry, so forgive me, but I was 100% correct all along for implying that Shibby's wife named the children and he said, "yes dear, that sounds good", you just confirmed that.

[Bouncer]

Whoa. WE gave our first son a polish first and middle name? Or did YOU do that? That was my point. It appears to me that YOU are the one who names the children. I highly doubt that Shibby came up with a polish name. Right? Shibby probalby doesn't know the difference from a polish middle name and a polish sausage, lets be honest.

To answer your other question. Yes, in america, middle names are important. I was given my Father's first name to carry on the tradition and my middle name is the name I actually go by. My mom wanted my middle name and my father wanted me to have my first name so they worked together and compromised. Maybe in Poland, middle names aren't important, but they are in the states.

For the record, I live in the UK now. And I have been to Poland 3 times. I will say, your children are very blessed to be raised in the USA, very blessed, because Poland is a very poor and run down country. Most of the poles have migrated to the UK and other places nearby because they want to get out. No jobs, no industry, it is similar to Mexico vs. the USA.

I apologize for calling Shibby a sperm donor, I was out of line and little bit angry, so forgive me, but I was 100% correct all along for implying that Shibby's wife named the children and he said, "yes dear, that sounds good", you just confirmed that.

i dont know if your points about Poland are valid or not, i dont know much about it. i guess my question is, why are you so mad at shibby or his wife for naming their son whatever they want to. i dont really get your point.

[toolwtf]

i dont know if your points about Poland are valid or not, i dont know much about it. i guess my question is, why are you so mad at shibby or his wife for naming their son whatever they want to. i dont really get your point.

Not mad at all about it and there is nothing wrong with it, but I didn't like being called immature for pointing something out, and then his wife confirming that she is the one who named the children. Nothing wrong with that at all if thats how Shibby rolls, but at least he shouldn't deny it. Thats my point. As an american Man, I'd like to not give my children names from another country with no compromise. That's all.

Plus, most of the polish women over here come to the UK, try to marry a UK man to get their citizenship and then try to run the man's life. Once I heard that his wife was polish, I imediately thought about how the polish women are here, and, like I pointed out, his wife is runnin' shit and he's letting her, and then she came into the thread and confirmed it?

[Bouncer]

I didn't like being called immature for pointing something out,

how would you like him to respond? you want him to say thanks and here is a cookie? lol

[Shibby]

Tool, you really don't know wtf you are talking about. We decided we wanted our kids to have Polish names. We went through list after list of Polish names. She read them off and we discussed the ones we like. I also don't know why you are saying women need to marry a UK men to get citizenship in the UK since Poland is part of the European Union. If they find a man that will give them the life they want then it is no different that anyone deciding to pick someone to marry for their own reasons.

and yes you are immature. It is very clear you have know idea what it is to have woman as your equal. You seem to think one mate has to be dominant and the other has to be submissive. One mate does not need to run the other in 2008.

[NewbieChris]

As an american Man, I'd like to not give my children names from another country with no compromise. That's all.

I'm mildly curious what American name you have. Is it Christian? Are you sure your name doesn't have it routes in another country, because I would almost guarantee it does.

You seem to think one mate has to be dominant and the other has to be submissive. One mate does not need to run the other in 2008.

Really? You don't believe that there will always be a dominant and submissive position in every relationship? You are attaching such negative confines to those words.

[Shibby]

I'm talking about one person trying to be in control and run the others life.

[coffee-guy]

Rough thread - can't anyone catch a break around here :P...

I don't know that I have any opinion on the name - definitely try to stay far away from judging another man by his name these days....

[mindstar]

Really? You don't believe that there will always be a dominant and submissive position in every relationship? You are attaching such negative confines to those words.

First, the word you meant was connotations, not confines. Second, it is possible to have a reationship in which decisions are made through consensus and compromise rather than dominance. If neither partner is always getting their way, but instead is engaged in meaningful give and take within the relationship then neither can be said to be "domminant". To dominate someone is to impose your will upon them...think Bouncer and Rado in bed. It is my opinion that dominating someone is unhealthy.