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  • Army orders Lions draft pick Campbell to duty

    ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP) — Caleb Campbell was a day away from practicing with the Detroit Lions and taking a step toward his dream of playing in the NFL. "He was issued a helmet, ready to go," coach Rod Marinelli said Wednesday.

    Now, Campbell is closer to joining his fellow West Point graduates in Iraq or Afghanistan.

    The U.S. Army revised its interpretation of U.S. Department of Defense policy two weeks ago regarding soldiers playing professional sports, requiring cadets to complete two years of active duty before applying for a release. Campbell and the Lions didn't officially receive notice of the change until the eve of training camp.

    "It's unfortunate, but it doesn't mean Caleb Campbell's dream is dead. It just means it will be delayed," Army spokeswoman Lt. Col. Anne Edgecomb told The Associated Press. "We want to take care of soldiers and dashing their hopes is not what we intend. But it is what it is."

    Edgecomb said minor league baseball players Nick Hill and Milan Dinga, former West Point standouts, will be allowed to finish their seasons before eventually joining their units.

    "We did an internal review of our policy and found that based on the DOD policy, we needed to adjust our policy," Edgecomb said Wednesday.

    Campbell agreed to contract terms, but the seventh-round pick did not sign the deal. The Lions will retain his rights until the 2009 draft, but he will not be eligible to play until 2010.

    "Obviously, he's disappointed," said Marinelli, a Vietnam veteran. "But I obviously know what he's about. He got his orders and he's ready to report."

    When Detroit drafted Campbell in April, it created a lot of publicity and led to some debate whether it was fair for a cadet to play pro sports while classmates were at war.

    "There were a lot of questions. Why is this kid going to be able to pursue this opportunity?" Campbell recalled in April. "I had a lot of guys come up to me. I think initially they were confused. They didn't understand the aspect of this whole situation. But it was never anything vulgar, just a lot of questions, a lot of curiosity from my fellow cadets.

    "Now that they understand the policy, they understand how this is going to benefit the Army. Whenever I'm settled in, I will report to the local recruiting station in the area and I will take it very seriously. It's my job in the United States Army. This is how I'm serving my country."

    The buzz might have also made the Navy and Air Force bitter because their graduates were playing under different rules under the same Department of Defense directive, which was implemented in 1994, reiterated in 2007 and again just a few days after the NFL draft.

    "The policy has not changed," Department of Defense spokeswoman Eileen Lainez said.

    Navy Secretary Donald C. Winter ruled last month that Mitch Harris must serve a five-year active duty commitment. Harris, a 22-year-old pitcher with a 95-mph fastball, was selected by the St. Louis Cardinals in the 13th round in this year's draft.

    Harris acknowledged being surprised by the ruling because Campbell was being allowed to pursue football while completing his military service as a recruiter and in the reserves.

    "Army has redefined the Alternative Service Option to include playing professional sports," Navy athletic director Chet Gladchuk has said. "Our coaches are now operating under a significant handicap when recruiting head-to-head with Army. It may not be reflected on the playing field today, but I can guarantee you that it will result in a competitive disadvantage down the road."

    The Air Force agreed, saying the academies recruit cadets from the same pool of candidates.

    Last month, the Army embraced the advantage.

    "The real advantage for the Army is just the amount of publicity we get," Edgecomb said in an AP story published on June 13. "When you think about it, who's the best recruiter for the Navy you can think of? David Robinson. He's called the Admiral, for goodness sake. The attention that we get in our primary demographic to have someone playing sports who's in the Army, that's where (we) in the Army see the advantage in this program."

    Before he became a superstar center with the San Antonio Spurs, Robinson served two years of active duty for the Navy after graduating from the academy in the 1980s. He benefited from a policy that allowed him to apply for an early release to pursue "an activity with potential recruiting or public affairs benefit to the Navy and Marine Corps."

    In 1986, Navy running back Napoleon McCallum played his rookie year with the Los Angeles Raiders while stationed at the Long Beach, Calif., naval base.

    The Army changed its policy on July 8, but it wasn't until July 23 that the Lions received a letter from U.S. Army Lt. Col. Jonathan P. Liba, informing them in writing that Campbell had to cease playing football in order to perform "full time traditional military duties," until at least 2010.

    "It's unfortunate that the timing of the new policy is happening at the same time that he was about to begin trying out, but that's not something we planned," Edgecomb said. "But he's been at West Point for four years and he went there to be an officer. What he's accomplished on a football field has been outstanding, but what he'll accomplish as a soldier will be even greater."

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    I find this whole thing interesting because it was a real positive story for the Army and it is quickly turned to another negative. It sounds like a lot of crying from other services and how it's not fair, instead of looking out for the greater good of all the branch's.

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    • #3
      yeah, i heard it on mike and mike. didnt read the article, but it seems if they wanted to change policy, they could have grandfathered this campbell kid in.

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      • #4
        Moral of the story: don't go into the military if you have other options. If this kid was such a good athlete, I'm sure he had other schools recruiting him out of high school. Now, he's paying for his mistake.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Shibby View Post
          Edgecomb said. "But he's been at West Point for four years and he went there to be an officer. What he's accomplished on a football field has been outstanding, but what he'll accomplish as a soldier will be even greater."
          The ol' propaganda machine is laying it on extra-thick....:rofl:

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          • #6
            Originally posted by hitmansb View Post
            The ol' propaganda machine is laying it on extra-thick....:rofl:
            exactly. what he will accomplish is either being lucky enough to escape with his life or he wont. and for what? a war based on lies. fuck that, i would move to fucken france.

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            • #7
              God bless America.

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              • #8
                He knew what he was signing up for. I do think that he should have a spot saved for him or something like that when his obligation is fulfilled. So just because someone has a chance to play pro sports they should be allowed to get out of their duty? What about all the other kids that miss out on other jobs that pay more than the military? Should they be allowed to quit or change their contract also?

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                • #9
                  He would still be working for the Army as a high profile recruiter.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FrankTheTank55 View Post
                    He knew what he was signing up for. I do think that he should have a spot saved for him or something like that when his obligation is fulfilled. So just because someone has a chance to play pro sports they should be allowed to get out of their duty? What about all the other kids that miss out on other jobs that pay more than the military? Should they be allowed to quit or change their contract also?
                    i question the timing.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
                      i question the timing.
                      Exactly.

                      Eh, whatever...if this story can open more kid with potential's eyes to what signing on the dotted line means you might be giving up, and he decides not to enlist...then it's a good thing I guess.

                      Why anyone with other options would go into the army is beyond me. Only time I can see it being an almost necessary springboard to a great career is if you're hoping to be an airline pilot...since they hire former air force pilots over just about anyone else due to all the flight hours they can accrue.

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                      • #12
                        to be fair to the kid he is defintely putting a positive spin on the whole situation. talking about ..... serving was one of his goals, and he'll give the nfl a shot in 2010... etc

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                        • #13
                          It may not be the fairest thing in the world for the rest of the soldiers who serve, but the Armed Forces need to make exceptions for special case people such as potential pro athletes. We're talking about 1 in 10,000 or less that will be able to make a pro career. It would be a much better recruiting tool. Honestly, I don't see it being too much different than band geeks or athletes such as boxers who are in the Armed Forces who only train for sporting events such as the Olympics.

                          Another thing I think they should address is making the pay more competitive for certain MOS's such a pilots, physicians, nuclear engineers. They train these folks for years only to see them walk away at the end of their contract to civilian jobs because they can't compete. Signing or re-up bonuses don't make up the discrepancy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SonofBone View Post
                            It would be a much better recruiting tool.
                            Are you talking about recruiting into the Army or into Westpoint? I dont see how someone playing in the NFL would make a kid want to join the Army? And as far a Westpoint, they dont care about making great football players they care about making great Officers.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by FrankTheTank55 View Post
                              Are you talking about recruiting into the Army or into Westpoint? I dont see how someone playing in the NFL would make a kid want to join the Army? And as far a Westpoint, they dont care about making great football players they care about making great Officers.
                              I'm meaning both. Positive publicity, to me, is better than what they're currently getting out of this story. Also, I remember the days when recruiters would just come by the high school & talk to you. Hell, that is how I signed up, but today, they're putting billboards on race cars & such. I just think in today's world with as much turmoil is going on they need every advantage they can get & having negative publicity doesn't help.

                              Yeah, West Point may not care about producing athletes, but if I'm an athlete & see that West Point may one day shatter my dreams then I'm not caring too much about West Point either.

                              Maybe another interesting twist would be to allow soldiers to have a really high buyout clause in case they're able to do something much more lucrative. I could see this working better for West Point grads because they're just officers. Everybody knows that the NCO's & other enlisted do the real work.

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