Its hard to believe how stupid we were only a few decades ago...

[The_Grinder]

6:40-7:20 is just fucking silly....

1950s Protecting Yourself from the Atomic Bomb for Kids / TV Shack

I can't wait until I'm 60 and get to see all the stupid shit we are doing now in perspective.

[Bouncer]

didn't watch it but is it the thing where they told the kids to get under there desk incase of a nuclear attack? lmao.

[The_Grinder]

didn't watch it but is it the thing where they told the kids to get under there desk incase of a nuclear attack? lmao.

Yep. My favorite scene is when the kid is riding his bike, a nuke goes off, he ducks and covers against a wall. He stays ducked and covered until the cop tells him everything is safe. He gets back on his bike and rides home. :D

[Bouncer]

Yep. My favorite scene is when the kid is riding his bike, a nuke goes off, he ducks and covers against a wall. He stays ducked and covered until the cop tells him everything is safe. He gets back on his bike and rides home. :D

ahahahhaha.

maybe they didnt understand that the shock wave of a nuclear weapon has 600-700mph winds and the temp of the winds is somewhere around 1200 degrees if i remember right. its like the most powerful hurricane you can imagine and winds hot enough to boil your skin. lol. the desk will help though.

[3v1lj03]

At the risk of offending again I must respectfully disagree. Duck and Cover is a viable survival tactic. It is a common modern misconception that a nuclear blast is unsurvivable. I used to be involved in Nuclear/Radiological warfare in the Navy. Primarily in the survivability area. I know that neither you Grinder or you B like to read long stuff but here is a long basic explanation. Or you can skip to the bottom where it says "Bottom Line"

The Hiroshima bomb released a power of about 15 kilotons when it exploded above the city; the RA-115 backpack nukes are one kiloton yield each.

Nuclear blast effects, it should be remembered, drop off quickly with distance. At Hiroshima a brick building survived only 640 feet from ground zero. And less than a mile away a trolley car remained intact and on its tracks.

For concerns of a future attack, the current thinking is that with the continuing trend towards more accurate MIRV'ed (multiple, independently targetable, re-entry vehicled) nuclear weapons, they are now mostly smaller than in the past, averaging on the order of 500 kiloton or less and for submarines only 200 kiloton. Of course, there are now more warheads per missile (4-10) and they are substantially more accurate than during the height of the Cold War.

If a terror organization strikes, we may expect structures dear to the American heart -- the Statue of Liberty, Mount Rushmore, the Capitol building -- to be hit first.

All buildings will suffer light damage if caught in a shock wave of even 1 psi (per square inch) peak overpressure -- shattered windows, doors damaged or blown off hinges and interior partitions cracked. The blast wind from a modern nuke can exceed hurricane velocities above 2 psi.

So how much blast or overpressure is too much to survive? It depends on where you are when it comes charging through, but from a 500 kiloton blast, 2.2 miles away, it'll be arriving about 8 seconds after the detonation flash. (An even larger 1 megaton blast, but 5 miles away, would give you about 20 seconds.) Like surviving an imminent tornado, utilizing those essential seconds after the initial flash to 'duck & cover' could be the difference between life & death for many. Being caught in either the overpressure of the blast shock wave or the blast wind are the main causes of casualties and damage.

For the man-in-the-open example above (2.2 miles from the detonation of a 500 kiloton air burst), this sharp body slap would produce an immense overpressure that might perforate his eardrums. He would also experience a blast of wind of about 295 mph for about three seconds that would launch him into a probably fatal impact, and would probably also likely suffer injuries from flying missile fragments of glass and debris. It’s like suddenly being in the middle of the strongest tornado that just as quickly fades away.

And as in a tornado, prompt protective actions can make a great difference in one’s survivability, believe it or not. For example, it requires about eight times the blast wind force to move a person who is lying down compared to a standing person. Diving into a ditch, depression, basement or anywhere else normally thought of for tornado protection will improve your odds greatly. You are also much less a target for glass shards and debris missiles. This simple change in position and placement can save many lives.

Then there’s the thermal pulse that accompanies the massive burst. This pulse represents 35% of the energy expended in a nuclear explosion. Burns caused by the heat energy of this fireball will produce the most far-reaching consequences.

For our example above of the man-in-the-open, 2.2 miles from a 500 kiloton air detonation, fatal blast injuries would have served in most cases to put him out of his misery. The thermal pulse, traveling at the speed of light, would have already delivered lethal burns and his clothing would have burst into fire if truly exposed in the open. In fact, about 50% of those fully exposed to the fireball anywhere in the 2 psi or greater range would eventually die from the severity of their burns.

However, if there is fog or haze or any kind of opaque material or structure between people and the oncoming fireball, the effects of the thermal pulse can be greatly reduced. With medium haze it can be cut by 50% and with heavy fog down to even just 10%. Smog in the big cities could actually be partly protective for once.

Also, while it delivers most of its energy within the first second, the larger the bomb the longer it'll take to deliver its full compliment of thermal energy -- up to several seconds for some megaton bombs. Quickly diving behind anything creating a shadow could be lifesaving. (here is your boy on the bike)

Besides fog, smog, haze or clouds, there are buildings, trees, hills and other objects that would also block and reduce some portion of the thermal pulse. In fact, the more densely built-up an area is, the less likely the inhabitants would be to suffer the full impact of the thermal pulse. Of course, they may still have to deal with the resultant fires, as well as any blast damage.

***Bottom Line: The majority of Americans, even in a full-scale all-out nuclear war, would survive the initial blast and thermal effects of nuclear explosions. Even with a large 1 megaton explosion and being as few as 8-10 miles away from ground zero, you would likely find that you had survived the initial thermal, blast and shock wave. With any kind of prompt protective action your odds of surviving at even half that distance are quite high.

I can also teach you how to shelter in place to survive the fallout if you are interested.

[NewbieChris]

So, why didn't they offer up that kind of information?

Are you saying the world can really survive nuclear warfare, even with the radioactive fallout?

[Bouncer]

At the risk of offending again I must respectfully disagree. Duck and Cover is a viable survival tactic. It is a common modern misconception that a nuclear blast is unsurvivable. I used to be involved in Nuclear/Radiological warfare in the Navy. Primarily in the survivability area. I know that neither you Grinder or you B like to read long stuff but here is a long basic explanation. Or you can skip to the bottom where it says "Bottom Line"

The Hiroshima bomb released a power of about 15 kilotons when it exploded above the city; the RA-115 backpack nukes are one kiloton yield each.

Nuclear blast effects, it should be remembered, drop off quickly with distance. At Hiroshima a brick building survived only 640 feet from ground zero. And less than a mile away a trolley car remained intact and on its tracks.

For concerns of a future attack, the current thinking is that with the continuing trend towards more accurate MIRV'ed (multiple, independently targetable, re-entry vehicled) nuclear weapons, they are now mostly smaller than in the past, averaging on the order of 500 kiloton or less and for submarines only 200 kiloton. Of course, there are now more warheads per missile (4-10) and they are substantially more accurate than during the height of the Cold War.

If a terror organization strikes, we may expect structures dear to the American heart -- the Statue of Liberty, Mount Rushmore, the Capitol building -- to be hit first.

All buildings will suffer light damage if caught in a shock wave of even 1 psi (per square inch) peak overpressure -- shattered windows, doors damaged or blown off hinges and interior partitions cracked. The blast wind from a modern nuke can exceed hurricane velocities above 2 psi.

So how much blast or overpressure is too much to survive? It depends on where you are when it comes charging through, but from a 500 kiloton blast, 2.2 miles away, it'll be arriving about 8 seconds after the detonation flash. (An even larger 1 megaton blast, but 5 miles away, would give you about 20 seconds.) Like surviving an imminent tornado, utilizing those essential seconds after the initial flash to 'duck & cover' could be the difference between life & death for many. Being caught in either the overpressure of the blast shock wave or the blast wind are the main causes of casualties and damage.

For the man-in-the-open example above (2.2 miles from the detonation of a 500 kiloton air burst), this sharp body slap would produce an immense overpressure that might perforate his eardrums. He would also experience a blast of wind of about 295 mph for about three seconds that would launch him into a probably fatal impact, and would probably also likely suffer injuries from flying missile fragments of glass and debris. It’s like suddenly being in the middle of the strongest tornado that just as quickly fades away.

And as in a tornado, prompt protective actions can make a great difference in one’s survivability, believe it or not. For example, it requires about eight times the blast wind force to move a person who is lying down compared to a standing person. Diving into a ditch, depression, basement or anywhere else normally thought of for tornado protection will improve your odds greatly. You are also much less a target for glass shards and debris missiles. This simple change in position and placement can save many lives.

Then there’s the thermal pulse that accompanies the massive burst. This pulse represents 35% of the energy expended in a nuclear explosion. Burns caused by the heat energy of this fireball will produce the most far-reaching consequences.

For our example above of the man-in-the-open, 2.2 miles from a 500 kiloton air detonation, fatal blast injuries would have served in most cases to put him out of his misery. The thermal pulse, traveling at the speed of light, would have already delivered lethal burns and his clothing would have burst into fire if truly exposed in the open. In fact, about 50% of those fully exposed to the fireball anywhere in the 2 psi or greater range would eventually die from the severity of their burns.

However, if there is fog or haze or any kind of opaque material or structure between people and the oncoming fireball, the effects of the thermal pulse can be greatly reduced. With medium haze it can be cut by 50% and with heavy fog down to even just 10%. Smog in the big cities could actually be partly protective for once.

Also, while it delivers most of its energy within the first second, the larger the bomb the longer it'll take to deliver its full compliment of thermal energy -- up to several seconds for some megaton bombs. Quickly diving behind anything creating a shadow could be lifesaving. (here is your boy on the bike)

Besides fog, smog, haze or clouds, there are buildings, trees, hills and other objects that would also block and reduce some portion of the thermal pulse. In fact, the more densely built-up an area is, the less likely the inhabitants would be to suffer the full impact of the thermal pulse. Of course, they may still have to deal with the resultant fires, as well as any blast damage.

***Bottom Line: The majority of Americans, even in a full-scale all-out nuclear war, would survive the initial blast and thermal effects of nuclear explosions. Even with a large 1 megaton explosion and being as few as 8-10 miles away from ground zero, you would likely find that you had survived the initial thermal, blast and shock wave. With any kind of prompt protective action your odds of surviving at even half that distance are quite high.

I can also teach you how to shelter in place to survive the fallout if you are interested.

interesting stuff. thanks for the info bro.

[3v1lj03]

So, why didn't they offer up that kind of information?

Are you saying the world can really survive nuclear warfare, even with the radioactive fallout?

Yes, and you don't even need much of a fallout shelter. You will need some sort of a make shift shelter and Potassium Iodine tabs will make it allot more pleasant.

As to the why nuclear war is supposed to be a nightmare and unthinkable. We don't want people to think otherwise.

[The_Grinder]

I don't want to find out either way. :wacko: