Watching the debate right now...

[The_Grinder]

I've never been a political guy at all. In fact, I am making the decision NOT to vote because I don't know enough about either cantidate to make a smart decision. I feel I am doing a better thing by not voting, than voting for either guy with no good reason.

Well anyway, like I said I am watching the debate, and FUUCCCKKK! These guys are both obnoxious. I'm not watching two guys actually discussing their views on the issues. I'm watching two car salesmen trying to sell themselves. They are twisting words around and just basically putting out a shitty vibe. I don't fucking like either of them.

I wish Robin Williams would run for president like in that movie. I'd vote for his ass!

[Stonecold54]

I've never been a political guy at all. In fact, I am making the decision NOT to vote because I don't know enough about either cantidate to make a smart decision. I feel I am doing a better thing by not voting, than voting for either guy with no good reason.

Well anyway, like I said I am watching the debate, and FUUCCCKKK! These guys are both obnoxious. I'm not watching two guys actually discussing their views on the issues. I'm watching two car salesmen trying to sell themselves. They are twisting words around and just basically putting out a shitty vibe. I don't fucking like either of them.

I wish Robin Williams would run for president like in that movie. I'd vote for his ass!

its like that every year, lol...two liars battling to see who can fuck the americans over better for their "party". but I still blame the american public for putting up with it over the years. everybody wants "theirs" and the big picture is missed. we talk about Debt and all this money, lol...can you imagine if the govt was run by a fiscally responsible board, lol. there would be no welfare system as we know it, medical costs wouldn't be where they are from interference and we wouldn't get ass raped on taxes. and of course we wouldnt misuse the military to interfere with other countries but we would have the BEST and most advanced military IN CASE someone dedicided they wanted to test their gumption against us. But i live in a dream world where rationality lives on ;)

[Bouncer]

i don't know shit about politics and don't really care to know.

but i can tell you in terms of presence and dominance, obama looks much stronger and much more like a leader.

[Shibby]

I am actually recording it and will get back to this thread later

[FitnessBrat]

I don't care to get into politics - just saw this and thought I'd post it. Not saying any/all of it is true/false either....

50 Lies from your "future president"



1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.





2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.





3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.





4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.





5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. According to the New York Times: "I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith," Ms. Obama, 85, said in a recent interview in Kenya.' Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.





6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.





7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.





8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).





9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.





10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even spea k the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.





11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies. You seek to disarm America while our avowed enemy, Iran, will not subject itself to a nuclear ban. Top Hamas politica l adviser Ahmed Yousef said the Hamas terrorist group 'supports Obama's foreign policy vision'.





12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.





13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.





14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.





15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.





16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.





17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.





18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.





19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.





20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn't write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.





21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.





22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.





23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.





24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.





25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.





26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.





27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.





28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.





29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel. You state you will open friendly communication with the Leader of Iran who is attempting to develop nuclear weapons to destroy us, but refuse to speak to FOX news. You are against provisions of the Patriot act which would all wiretapping of the phones of suspected terrorists in the USA.





30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.





31.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.





32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn't.





33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.





34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.





35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.





36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.





37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.





38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.





39.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.





40.) I don't Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.





41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.





42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.





43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people's words.





44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.





45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.





46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.





47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.





48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin and you don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem. There is a Cuban Flag with Che Guevara Displayed at Barack Obama Campaign Office which you allow to be displayed. You voted against making english the official language of the United States. You voted to give illegal aliens social security benefits, which would bankrupt the social security system for Americans legally paying into it.





49.) My Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife's words follow lock-step in the vain of Rev. Wright and Louis Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.





50.


) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected

[The_Grinder]

I don't care to get into politics - just saw this and thought I'd post it. Not saying any/all of it is true/false either....

50 Lies from your "future president"

Interesting. Like I said, I don't like either of them, so I don't say this as an Obama supporter. But you can make anyone look bad by digging up enough dirt and only telling one side of the story.

[NewbieChris]

I don't know where conservatives get these crazy fucking chain email, but they are so stupid. I can count 10% of those statements that are false on their part as well. The others I don't know enough about:

1) Barack is a Hebrew name. It has its routes in the Bible, Old Testament, as well as the Koran (THE BIBLE). Seeing as how both are essentially the same book with different "version II"s'.

2) I don't wear an American flag on my lapel, and OMG neither did John McCain last fucking night. Being patriotic does NOT mean you have to agree with the rights limited ideals of what it is to be American. Number 48 has my head fucking spinning what a fucking moron whoever wrote this thing is...

3) Being against a war, and wanting to fund the troops who are dying for you are two different things.

4&5) He does believe delegate decide who comes into office, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS. We have an electoral college. Its the only reason that retard Bush is in office.

[curtus e flush]

hey b.....did back and tris today....:D

[FitnessBrat]

I don't know where conservatives get these crazy fucking chain email, but they are so stupid. I can count 10% of those statements that are false on their part as well. The others I don't know enough about:

1) Barack is a Hebrew name. It has its routes in the Bible, Old Testament, as well as the Koran (THE BIBLE). Seeing as how both are essentially the same book with different "version II"s'.

2) I don't wear an American flag on my lapel, and OMG neither did John McCain last fucking night. Being patriotic does NOT mean you have to agree with the rights limited ideals of what it is to be American. Number 48 has my head fucking spinning what a fucking moron whoever wrote this thing is...

3) Being against a war, and wanting to fund the troops who are dying for you are two different things.

4&5) He does believe delegate decide who comes into office, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS. We have an electoral college. Its the only reason that retard Bush is in office.

AGAIN - not saying any of it is true/false, etc. But thanks for sharing your vote.

[Turbo3000]

They both suck balls, Congress sucks bigger balls at the moment. Our entire government needs a fucking bath, we need to clean up the trash (everyone basically).

[caged]

so is anyone voting here?

[Stonecold54]

so is anyone voting here?

not me. I only vote for people I can personally vouch for or know in my life. I don't understand how anyone can vote with a conscience and believe they are voting for a person they think they know. blows my mind.

[Bouncer]

so is anyone voting here?

New Jersey will vote Democratic no matter what so my vote doesn't mean much anyway.

[Turbo3000]

This interview clears it all up for me.

YouTube - Palin - Russia's Proximity To Alaska Makes Me Experienced

What a dumbass.

It is a short clip, the entire interview is golden. It seems like a spoof it is so ridiculous.

[Bouncer]

This interview clears it all up for me.

YouTube - Palin - Russia's Proximity To Alaska Makes Me Experienced

What a dumbass.

It is a short clip, the entire interview is golden. It seems like a spoof it is so ridiculous.

wow. holy fuck.