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[Turbo3000]

Not voting is the absolute worst thing you can do.

For those of you that don't vote by choice, you have absolutely no right to criticize or bitch about any decisions the government makes. ifyou're not going to take part in your own rights and governing parties, then you have no right to complain about the decisions they make.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

People are still spreading that ridiculous catch phrase. If I didn't vote I could still complain all I want. Congress is still spending my tax dollars in the most wastful way.

Please answer Bouncer's questions, he is correct, if he voted Rep, his state will still go Dem.

[redsquirrel]

ok so you tell me why i should waste my time.

lets say i vote republican. NJ is a strong democratic state and would vote democrat if there was a turd running.

there is no point in me voting republican when my state votes democratic no matter what. other states that are closer to the edge makes sense to vote.

I understand your point, and I can understand why you wouldn't feel the need to vote. Many could say the same thing about the whole electoral college in general. But, you also don't really get involved in politics. My comments were mostly directed to people who bitch about government, yet refuse to vote.

[mormonmuscle]

How could we not feel comfortable w/ someone who has 25 years in government versus 18 months??? Especially after her STELLAR interview with Katie Couric. That should have put that to bed. How does his position on the crack down on juice have anything to do with his experience vs hers?

As for your info on Biden & the steroid issue: if memory serves me correctly, I believe it was in fact McCain who spearheaded the crackdown. Secondly- and this would be more important- Joe Biden is one of the very few senators who went in making the same salary that they do today. So many go in making the standard salary, and come out millionaires because of all the money they accepted from lobbyists. Joe Biden IS NOT one of them. His personal net worth is $150k. Guess what a senator's salary is- $150k.

I never said that his position on the crack down on juice had anything to do with his experience, it was meant to show a reflection of his integrity, and his moral structure. Why is everyone so concerned about that interview with Katie Couric? I admit she said some dumb stuff, but maybe that means she isn't a good debater, maybe she was nervous who knows, who cares? People shouldn't be so concerned about the debating abilities of someone and how great they sound giving speeches, they should look at the person and what they are about. People are so wrapped up with what her daughter is doing also, who cares what her daughter is doing, I care what Sarah is doing. I for one am a little concerned about having someone as President that won't even put his hand on his heart when they say the pledge of allegiance, and has no respect for the military. We want someone like that as the Commander in Chief of our armed forces who are dying overseas so he has the freedom to run for President? And as for Biden making less money than other polticians, who cares? I'm sure he doesn't since he's got big Pharma paying him a substantial amount of money to legalize lies. But hey if everybody wants to have a person run for President that believes that a man doesn't have the right to protect his family from an intruder, and has to try and run away instead of defending himself and his belongings, and wants to take our guns from us so we have no protection from the criminals that WILL be able to get guns, and someone that believes they shouldn't have to have a warrant to arrest an American citizen if they believe they are a terrorist. Be my guest, vote for Obama, and Biden it'll just open up the flood gates and give the Government the power over the people instead of the other way around cause now they can arrest us for anything and say they think you are a terrorist. I know that sounds extreme but it is always one step at a time. I work in a union and trust me when I say the company you are working for might have good intentions and convince you to go with them and years down the road you find out exactly why they did what they did, and they did it for their needs, not anyone else's. I hadn't heard about McCain spearheading the steroid thing, so I'm not going to argue with you cause you very well could be right, I stated earlier that all poiticians were corrupt. So I hope you don't think that because I'm backing up one doesn't mean I believe in everything they do, cause I most definitely don't. I did watch a video on Steroid.com about Joe Biden so go look at it if you want, (I would type in the exact address, but I forgot it and I'm and work and it's best for me not to search those things while I'm here). It seemed interesting to me. I hope that all that didn't sound too harsh, you have some valid points, and I am interested in other peoples opinions, I do have an open mind and I do listen to other people to better inform myself.:)

[redsquirrel]

Why is everyone so concerned about that interview with Katie Couric? I admit she said some dumb stuff, but maybe that means she isn't a good debater, maybe she was nervous who knows, who cares? People shouldn't be so concerned about the debating abilities of someone and how great they sound giving speeches, they should look at the person and what they are about. People are so wrapped up with what her daughter is doing also, who cares what her daughter is doing, I care what Sarah is doing.

I for one am a little concerned about having someone as President that won't even put his hand on his heart when they say the pledge of allegiance, and has no respect for the military. We want someone like that as the Commander in Chief of our armed forces who are dying overseas so he has the freedom to run for President?

But hey if everybody wants to have a person run for President that believes that a man doesn't have the right to protect his family from an intruder, and has to try and run away instead of defending himself and his belongings, and wants to take our guns from us so we have no protection from the criminals that WILL be able to get guns, and someone that believes they shouldn't have to have a warrant to arrest an American citizen if they believe they are a terrorist.

Be my guest, vote for Obama, and Biden it'll just open up the flood gates and give the Government the power over the people instead of the other way around cause now they can arrest us for anything and say they think you are a terrorist. .:)

1) People are so obsessed w/ Palin's interview, because it reallyshowed how inexperienced she really is. True, she may not be a good debater, or a good public speaker. But, when she's been on the campaign trail and been prepped, she speaks just fine. It's when she came under scrutiny and wasn't prepared for the questions, that I think it showed her lack of experience. That interview wasn't even in a debate setting- it was just a one on one interview. I for one, don't care about her daughter being pregnant. That has no bearing on her ability to run the country if Mccain were to die.

2) I'm not quite sure what you're saying about Obama not putting his hand over his heart. The picture I think you are referring to is total propaganda, and has been deemed as such. How can you think he has no respect for the military when he knows we need forces in Afghanistan, and feels too many are dying for no reason. Mccain is this big supporter of the war, yet said just last week that he thinks there could be cuts in defense spending. That doesn't make much sense at all.

3) Again, I'm not sure what that paragraph means,etiher. Obama doesn't talk about eliminating our right to bear arms.

4) You don't think that w/ W's so called "Patriot Act", and Dept of Homeland Security, that that's not giving the government the power over the people??? While I agree that homeland security is needed, the patriot Act threw EVERY SINGLE right we have in the Constitution right out the window.

[mormonmuscle]

1) People are so obsessed w/ Palin's interview, because it reallyshowed how inexperienced she really is. True, she may not be a good debater, or a good public speaker. But, when she's been on the campaign trail and been prepped, she speaks just fine. It's when she came under scrutiny and wasn't prepared for the questions, that I think it showed her lack of experience. That interview wasn't even in a debate setting- it was just a one on one interview. I for one, don't care about her daughter being pregnant. That has no bearing on her ability to run the country if Mccain were to die.

2) I'm not quite sure what you're saying about Obama not putting his hand over his heart. The picture I think you are referring to is total propaganda, and has been deemed as such. How can you think he has no respect for the military when he knows we need forces in Afghanistan, and feels too many are dying for no reason. Mccain is this big supporter of the war, yet said just last week that he thinks there could be cuts in defense spending. That doesn't make much sense at all.

3) Again, I'm not sure what that paragraph means,etiher. Obama doesn't talk about eliminating our right to bear arms.

4) You don't think that w/ W's so called "Patriot Act", and Dept of Homeland Security, that that's not giving the government the power over the people??? While I agree that homeland security is needed, the patriot Act threw EVERY SINGLE right we have in the Constitution right out the window.

Obviously we are reading different sources, so really how can any of us know what is truth and not. I do know that some people vote Democratic and some vote Republican no matter what. I try to focus on the individuals not their party. If Satan were a politician people would still vote for him red tailed, pitch forked and all just because of his party. Either way I believe this country is in a lot of trouble no matter who gets into office, because the system has been corrupt for decades. Also I just checked out snopes.com and Obama did not put his hand over his heart when the national anthem was being played.

[redsquirrel]

Obviously we are reading different sources, so really how can any of us know what is truth and not. I do know that some people vote Democratic and some vote Republican no matter what. I try to focus on the individuals not their party. If Satan were a politician people would still vote for him red tailed, pitch forked and all just because of his party. Either way I believe this country is in a lot of trouble no matter who gets into office, because the system has been corrupt for decades. Also I just checked out snopes.com and Obama did not put his hand over his heart when the national anthem was being played.

Agreed. However, the snopes.com thing you are talking about was hot about 8 months ago. It was all ruled as propaganda, and a huge misunderstanding. I'll see if I can find the link. I would say I'm a moderate democrat. The older I get the more to the middle I get. HOWEVER, I will never vote for anyone who 1) tells me what I can and can't do with my own body, 2) preaches about family values, etc yet divorces his wife after she was disfigured in a car accident and skirts around w/ a mistress, only to marry her a month after his divorce was final. 3) someone that bitches about the 40% increase in the size of government, and talks of reducing the size; yet voted 90% of the time w/ the President. 4) someone who talks about creating jobs, yet offers NO clear plan on how he's going to do it, other than cutting benefits and funding for the military.

[redsquirrel]

I agree with you this country is headed down a very dire path. However, I just don't see how 4 more years of the SAME politics and SAME outlook is the right way to go. W got us into this mess, so how can electing someone who votes w/ him 90% of the time, get us on the path to redemption?

While I agree there should be a better democratic candidate, you have to rememebr he was nominated by our votes; even to my surprise. People want someone who isn't AS corrupt as the rest of the good ol boy network that currently resides in Washington. While I would like to see more experience in a candidate, based on the debates this past Friday, Obama held his own completely, and instead of acting like a child and insulting Mccain's intelligence as McCain did to Obama, (which is the knee jerk reputation McCain has) he tried to find common ground and rise above it. He didn't sink to Mccain's level and toss back a few insults. Moreover, he demonstrated to me his desire to breach those party lines, and get everyone on common ground to make a decision

[mormonmuscle]

I agree with you this country is headed down a very dire path. However, I just don't see how 4 more years of the SAME politics and SAME outlook is the right way to go. W got us into this mess, so how can electing someone who votes w/ him 90% of the time, get us on the path to redemption?

While I agree there should be a better democratic candidate, you have to rememebr he was nominated by our votes; even to my surprise. People want someone who isn't AS corrupt as the rest of the good ol boy network that currently resides in Washington. While I would like to see more experience in a candidate, based on the debates this past Friday, Obama held his own completely, and instead of acting like a child and insulting Mccain's intelligence as McCain did to Obama, (which is the knee jerk reputation McCain has) he tried to find common ground and rise above it. He didn't sink to Mccain's level and toss back a few insults. Moreover, he demonstrated to me his desire to breach those party lines, and get everyone on common ground to make a decision

Just so you know there is propaganda on both sides not just the Democratic side. You can't just blame Bush for all the problems. Bush can only do so much when he's got a Democratically controlled congress at the helm. So most of the stuff that you think is Bush's fault isn't because congress is the one pulling the strings. As for the good ol' boy thing, Biden is a good ol' boy that's why Obama put him as his running mate, and Obama is running for office because he can impress people like Clinton did, but really has no idea what he is going to do until he gets to office and congress pulls the strings. The point is if people like the Rep. candidate they will praise him to no end and find any piece of trash they can find on the Dem. side, and vice versa. This is no different than trying to persuade someone about how safe the use of anabolics can be if you use them properly, if they don't want to believe it they won't no matter what you do. True in the debate McCain was a turd, but it just meant that he isn't as good as a debater as Obama, not that he'd be a worse President.

[redsquirrel]

Just so you know there is propaganda on both sides not just the Democratic side. You can't just blame Bush for all the problems. Bush can only do so much when he's got a Democratically controlled congress at the helm. So most of the stuff that you think is Bush's fault isn't because congress is the one pulling the strings. As for the good ol' boy thing, Biden is a good ol' boy that's why Obama put him as his running mate, and Obama is running for office because he can impress people like Clinton did, but really has no idea what he is going to do until he gets to office and congress pulls the strings. The point is if people like the Rep. candidate they will praise him to no end and find any piece of trash they can find on the Dem. side, and vice versa. This is no different than trying to persuade someone about how safe the use of anabolics can be if you use them properly, if they don't want to believe it they won't no matter what you do. True in the debate McCain was a turd, but it just meant that he isn't as good as a debater as Obama, not that he'd be a worse President.

I am fully aware there is propaganda on both sides. That's why I investigate the sources of these scams. Like the one that Obama didn't put his hand over his heart- was deemed to be totally untrue.

As for Congress being at fault for most of the problems??? Uh, the democrats have only had control for TWO YEARS. What about the previous SIX years? What about he deregulation of investors on Wall Street he allowed, and the "Free market" attitude that he adopted??? In addition, what about his so-called "Energy plan"??? This energy is greatly to blame for the high energy costs! Aside from the fact of how we helped Iraq, yet our energy prices are higher than ever? Try and explain to me why gas prices were $1.53 when Bush took office, compared to where they are now.

I never said Obama was a great debater. All I said was that since everyone was raising questions about his lack of experience, he held his own and communicated his plans nicely. Secondly- true no one had heard of Bill Clinton really until he started running. Yet he is revered today as one of the greatest men to ever hold that office- REGARDLESS of his extra cirrucular.

[mormonmuscle]

I am fully aware there is propaganda on both sides. That's why I investigate the sources of these scams. Like the one that Obama didn't put his hand over his heart- was deemed to be totally untrue.

As for Congress being at fault for most of the problems??? Uh, the democrats have only had control for TWO YEARS. What about the previous SIX years? What about he deregulation of investors on Wall Street he allowed, and the "Free market" attitude that he adopted??? In addition, what about his so-called "Energy plan"??? This energy is greatly to blame for the high energy costs! Aside from the fact of how we helped Iraq, yet our energy prices are higher than ever? Try and explain to me why gas prices were $1.53 when Bush took office, compared to where they are now.

I never said Obama was a great debater. All I said was that since everyone was raising questions about his lack of experience, he held his own and communicated his plans nicely. Secondly- true no one had heard of Bill Clinton really until he started running. Yet he is revered today as one of the greatest men to ever hold that office- REGARDLESS of his extra cirrucular.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree only on some of the argument, as I agree with you on some of your view points. And let me add that I am impressed that you take the time to research and find out facts for yourself. You obviously are well educated, because you take the time and effort to be well educated.

[redsquirrel]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree only on some of the argument, as I agree with you on some of your view points. And let me add that I am impressed that you take the time to research and find out facts for yourself. You obviously are well educated, because you take the time and effort to be well educated.

I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. It's when we refuse to see other viewpoints, that we stop learning. Being narrow minded doesn't help anyone progress in any aspect of their life. I agree McCain has some better points than Obama. Had he run 4 years ago, I just may have voted for him. But, it just seems to me he's become more and more conservative, and complains about the size of government he helped to implement.

As for my research, I haven't really taken the time or effort in prevoius elections as I have in this one. I think this one is the most crucial in the past
60+ years. Regardless of who anyone votes for, instead of burying my head in the sand and hoping someone else will figure it out for me, I like to think I have some role in my government. I've actually requested information to become a delegate.

Food for thought- even though Joe Lieberman endorsed McCain- had he run, I would have probably voted for him.

[mormonmuscle]

I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. It's when we refuse to see other viewpoints, that we stop learning. Being narrow minded doesn't help anyone progress in any aspect of their life. I agree McCain has some better points than Obama. Had he run 4 years ago, I just may have voted for him. But, it just seems to me he's become more and more conservative, and complains about the size of government he helped to implement.

As for my research, I haven't really taken the time or effort in prevoius elections as I have in this one. I think this one is the most crucial in the past
60+ years. Regardless of who anyone votes for, instead of burying my head in the sand and hoping someone else will figure it out for me, I like to think I have some role in my government. I've actually requested information to become a delegate.

Food for thought- even though Joe Lieberman endorsed McCain- had he run, I would have probably voted for him.

I'll vote for you if you'll legalize anabolics so I don't have to worry about seizures anymore.:P

[Turbo3000]

Homeland security=waste of money

Medicade=I would say more then 75% is wasted (on the patient end and the doctor end)

I wish family and religious values would stay where they should be...IN THE HOME.

Every 4 years we have new candidates promising the same shit over and over, I have been hearing these same promises since I was old enough to understand what they were talking about, nothing changes. Politicians get into office and immediately start thinking about how they can A.)make a lot of money for themselves, friends, and family and B.) make sure they kiss enough ass and get enough support to stay in office. It is one big scam after the next, they waste the shit out of our taxes and tell us what to do with our lives. It is basically the same reasons we fought for our independence from the mother land :D.