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it all comes down to money -- they are not going to bother him -
Originally posted by bigscott View Post
I don't believe that completely. I think at one point in time it may have been that easy, but not anymore.Comment
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elite athletes are always ahead of the curve. it is a catch up game for the gov, always has been and always will be. if i had told you about "the clear" before it came out you would have called me a conspiracy theorist. not arguing with ya bro, just think you are a bit naive when it comes to these athletes, the money that is involved, and the science that is involved. its not hard at all to take a drug that is not tested for..Comment
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I'm not saying it's not possible, but I don't think it's as involved and as advanced in UFC as it is in say MLB or NFL.....yet.Comment
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Good fights last night. I knew it would be bad if Brock started throwing the hammers. Brock would have done the exact same thing to Mir if they hadn't been restarted due to blows to the back of the head. Wasn't much Randy could do at that point. They say moving Brock is like moving a mountain off of you. I have liked Brock since I was younger and watched WWE, I did however want Randy to win, and for 45 he still impresses the shit out of me. He gave Brock a couple good hits, and avoided some takedowns. It was worth my $50.Comment
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not many wrestlers have small waists thats where their power comes from obliques and waistOriginally posted by THE BOUNCER View PostComment
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Yeah, see I was disappointed. I didn't think Randy fought well at all. He didn't go to the ground with Lesnar hardly at all. Granted, it's much more difficult to get Brock on the ground, but still. Randy looked old to me. Didn't look as agile as he once was...I understand he's 45, but I don't know why they matched him w/ Lesnar if that's the case.Originally posted by Turbo3000 View PostComment
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Yeah he did look old; he's been out of the ring for over a year, but he still had little chance to get him to the ground and/or keep him there. Brock is way too big, strong, and agile. Randy is an extremely lightheavy weight which is fine when you fight bums like Tim Sylvia, or you get a rare devastating punch like he did with Gonzaga.Originally posted by redsquirrel View Post
He had no alternative to fight anyone else. He had to defend his belt. Brock needed another fight (cuz you can't let a cash cow like him sit on the side lines) and Mir and Noguera are slated to fight in Dec so there wasn't any contenders left that would draw the crowd and ppv sales like Lesnar.Comment
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It was a great card. I wasn't surprised people hate brock, bad grammar, I was surprised that brock did that to randy. I think it would have been different if Randy was able to get Brock to the ground, he had him in the air at one point but Brock grabbed the fence... That, I think, would have helped Randy a ton.Originally posted by NYCmitch25 View Post
That uppercut was insane, one of the best ko's I've seen in a while.Comment
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Anybody you put against brock that's a slugger isn't going to have much of a chance against him. He's just too big and strong. But if you get a guy who is a jiu jitsu expert, then that's where brock is going to fail. Guy like fedor could handle brock, but a small guy like couture who has to close the distance and try to overpower a mountain of a man and either ground and pound or clinch his way to victory is going to be a damn hard battle.Comment
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that fat slob fedor is a pussy. i would destroy him.Comment
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Percentage wise its like a 155lb fighter fighting at 205, or Spencer Fisher fighting Forrest Griffin..Lesnar weighed 280 at fight time. Its a definite disadvantage.
Couture is a light heavyweight in reality and moved back to heavyweight to exploit a weak division within the UFC. That division is firming up somewhat-Gonzaga is looking better and better, Nog is always tough, and Shane Carwin is emerging as a force. As for MMA in general Lesnar is barely in the top ten in the heavyweight division, if at all. There are so many talented guys that his size isn't going to be an issue for...Fedor, Arlovski, Barnett, you could go on..those guys are all around 240-250, and any one I think would beat him right now. In two years? Not so much..I think he will get better.
I liked how Couture looked, he worked well from the clinch made Lesnar defend against the takedown, Lesnar couldn't keep him down when he took him down which is a testament to Couture's skill set. Unfortunately he got rocked and that was all it took. It wasn't a decisive ass kicking by any means. One punch in MMA can change a fight. It was very clear to me that Couture had better hands overall then Lesnar.
It was discouraging for me to see Lesnar fight for the title, the only UFC fighter he beat was Herring and he couldnt finish him. He lost to Mir with a weak leg attack-which was pretty to watch, and beat on some seven foot air thief that was a purported kickboxer. Not a record that should get you a championship fight, but money talks.
The fight was absolutely about money, can't get pissed at the business for running it....well, like a business:) Couture and Lesnar were both guaranteed percentages of the pay per view so I am sure they are doing fine win or lose. It will be interesting to see what Couture decides to do now.......Last edited by funniirishman; 11-19-08, 04:16 AM.Comment
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FEdor challenges Lesnar...
M-1 Global today released an official statement regarding Brock Lesnar's UFC 91 victory and their openness to a superfight between UFC Heavyweight Champ Lesnar and WAMMA Heavyweight Champion Fedor Emelianenko. They state in the release that while they would "remain interested in a match against Couture, we would also like to publicly state for the record that we would welcome a superfight between Fedor and Lesnar that would be held as a co-promoted event between the UFC, M-1, and Affliction Entertainment."
The release continues in discussing Dana White and Lorenzo Fertitta's persistent use of the term "overrated" in reference to Fedor, openly questioning the sincerity of their statements. They also state in the release that they do not believe Lesnar would make it out of the first round with Fedor at this point in his career. The full statement can be viewed below.
Penick Analysis: While if and when this fight takes place it will undoubtedly be a "superfight," this thing isn't happening anytime soon. There's obviously no way that under Dana White the UFC will co-promote anything, let alone a fight of this caliber, with M-1 or Affliction. The sentiment from Fedor's camp echoes that of Randy Couture who said that Fedor would "tear Brock apart" at this point in time.
That's one of those things where I have no idea if that would happen or not, but I would pay great money to find out. Lesnar won't be ready for a fight with Fedor, though, for at least another year or two; getting more fights under his belt while improving at even half the speed at which he's done so far just might be enough to get him to a real chance against Fedor.
M-1's Official Statement on Brock Lesnar's victory
M-1 would like to congratulate Brock Lesnar on his UFC heavyweight title victory as well as acknowledge Randy Couture's return to active competition after a layoff that lasted over a year.
Couture and WAMMA heavyweight champion Fedor Emelianenko had publicly acknowledged a desire to fight each other multiple times over the course of the past year. While M-1 and Fedor remain interested in a match against Couture, we would also like to publicly state for the record that we would welcome a superfight between Fedor and Lesnar that would be held as a co-promoted event between the UFC, M-1, and Affliction Entertainment.
We've invited the media to speak with us today to not only make it clear we would welcome a Fedor vs. Lesnar matchup but to act in a preemptive fashion to address the possibility that UFC officials will try and position Lesnar as the No. 1 heavyweight in the world, much like they have tried to use a marketing ploy to brand Anderson Silfva as the number one pound-for-pound fighter in the world.
In the past, UFC president Dana White and Zuffa, LLC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta have tried to claim that Fedor was "overrated" and that his "record was irrelevant." They make these claims in spite of the fact that Fedor holds career victories over UFC champions past and present. While we have tremendous respect for the contributions Mr. Fertitta and Dana have made to this sport, we do not believe they are sincere in their statements.
It is the position of M-1 that the UFC has adopted an anti-Fedor policy because multiple attempts to sign him have not been fruitful. For a company that has tried to market itself as the number one promotion in the world, they are unable to accept the fact that the number one fighter in the world does not reside on its roster of contracted fighters.
We believe that the UFC has determined that it's much more inexpensive for them to use their marketing resources to use smoke and mirrors to brand a fighter as the pound-for-pound best as opposed to actually paying the pound-for-pound best what he is truly worth on the open market.
While Brock Lesnar is an accomplished athlete and a talented fighter, we do not consider him to be the number one heavyweight in the world. Until someone beats him, we strongly believe that Fedor should continue to be recognized as the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. In a match between Fedor and Lesnar, we do not feel that at this stage Lesnar would be able to make it out of the first round.
For those who feel our statements in regards to Fedor are self-serving, we'd like to refer you to a video interview on the website RawVegas.tv in which at his UFC 91 after-party Couture himself acknowledges that "Fedor would probably tear Brock up at this point."
Jerry Millen, M-1 Vice PresidentComment
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Couture made $250,000 and Lesnar $450,000 including $250,000 for winning. Those are the purses that were realized to the public, that does not include any ppv dollars or bonus checks that the ufc is so infamous for.Originally posted by funniirishman View PostComment
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