racial profiled someone

[mindstar]

The McVeigh excuse always shows up in threads like these. It fails completely if you look at acts of terrorism on our nation in total. It may not be popular to say but the statistics are there if you really want to see them.

bullshit.

Mcveigh
Anti-war activists in the 60's and 70's
Animial rights activists in the 80's
Eco-terrorsits in the 80-90's
Abortion clinic bombings/assassinations
Washington Sniper. (ex-military)
Uni-bomber
Olympics bomber (ex-military as well, first of four attacks by him)

I think you could make an argument for Ruby Ridge and Waco here too.

I think you're talking out of your ass when you mention statistics, or can you find me a peer-edited article with a difinitive analysis of all domestic american terrorism in say, the last 50 years. Shit, the last 30 years.

Your attitude is not born out by the facts, but rather a latent rascism which masquerades as 'common sense' It is the sort of attitude which leads to the persecution of innocent people in elementary school washrooms. The fact that people refuse to think independantly, even a little bit about this is a testament to how ugly hate, fear, and ignorance can make human nature.

[mindstar]

yeah decadeca got it right,

over here i the london burbs there are always loads of stabbings usually black on black sometimes black on white but hardly ever a white person stabbing someone else. So police starts operating stop and search and gues what they stop more black people, the black guys start kicking off and cry racism and so the police are told to back off or risk race riots, then after a while knife crime goes up again and the whole cycle starts again!

Its a tricky one

So I guess every time you see an Irish guy in a train station, you make sure he's not placing a bomb?

[FitnessBrat]

I met this girl the other day, maybe one of the most beautiful girls I have ever seen. Well, she is from Israel. She works at the mall and I deliver the mail to all the stores in the mall. So at first she tried to sell me some freakin hand lotion. We started talking and everyday for the past week or so we talk and just kinda hang out while I take a "break". But the whole time im talking to her Im wondering if everything she is saying to me is a lie, and why is she really here in this country and all kinds of crazy shit. There are alot of arabs where I live and it seams like there is always something shady about them. I know its wrong but the truth is they do stuid shit. So you have to keep your guard up.

Those dead sea lotion kiosks are ALL run by them! They are so aggressive, and so very annoying. :breakit:

[decadecadeca]

...I think you're talking out of your ass when you mention statistics, or can you find me a peer-edited article with a difinitive analysis of all domestic american terrorism in say, the last 50 years. Shit, the last 30 years....

You are clearly letting emotion dictate over reason. I never specified domestic terrorism because the leading group for those acts are ALF and ELF. I said acts of terrorism against our nation in total which includes all US interests both wihtin the CONUS and abroad.

As for your request for peer reviewed documents you start here...

"... the major terrorist acts or attempts against U.S. interests leading into the 21st century stemmed from militant Islamic jihad, guided directly or indirectly by al-Qa’ida. These include the following:

On August 7, 1998, al-Qa’ida operatives carried out near-simultaneous bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. These attacks, which took place against targets considered “soft” and in low-threat countries, resulted in 224 deaths and 5,722 injuries. The small number of Americans among the casualties (12 dead and seven wounded) highlighted the indiscriminate nature of, and collateral damage inflicted by, large-scale terrorist attacks even when directed against specific targets.
On December 14, 1999, U.S. border guards at Port Angeles, Washington, arrested Ahmed Ressam as he attempted to smuggle explosives into the United States from Canada. Investigation by the FBI and other domestic and foreign law enforcement agencies revealed that Ressam had attended al-Qa’ida training camps in Afghanistan and was part of an Algerian terrorist cell based in Canada that had plotted to detonate explosives at Los Angeles International Airport.
On October 12, 2000, in the port of Aden, Yemen, pilots of a bomb-laden boat pulled alongside the USS Cole at midship and detonated their explosives in a suicide attack against the destroyer, killing 17 and injuring at least 40 crew members. Investigation revealed that the incident followed an unsuccessful attack on January 3, 2000, against the USS The Sullivans. The alleged conspirators in the Sullivans and Cole attacks were al-Qa’ida operatives who trained in its terrorist camps in Afghanistan during the 1990s. The Cole bombing highlighted al-Qa’ida’s resolve and revealed the network’s a more powerful and technologically more advanced target. "

Cite: FBI.gov

[FrankTheTank55]

Those dead sea lotion kiosks are ALL run by them! They are so aggressive, and so very annoying. :breakit:

Yeah, that is the one....lol

[FitnessBrat]

Yeah, that is the one....lol

You just like her rubbing on your hands. She only wants your $79.95 Frank, get over your crush. :moon:

[decadecadeca]

Mcveigh
Anti-war activists in the 60's and 70's
Animial rights activists in the 80's
Eco-terrorsits in the 80-90's
Abortion clinic bombings/assassinations
Washington Sniper. (ex-military)
Uni-bomber
Olympics bomber (ex-military as well, first of four attacks by him)

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And the death toll for all those acts combined is less than 200.

The attack from Al-Qa'ida on US soil claimed 2, 972 lives.

[curtus e flush]

Those dead sea lotion kiosks are ALL run by them! They are so aggressive, and so very annoying. :breakit:

got them in jersey....i let them go through the whole spew....rubb my hands and then say....nahh no thanks:D

[FrankTheTank55]

Mcveigh
Anti-war activists in the 60's and 70's
Animial rights activists in the 80's
Eco-terrorsits in the 80-90's
Abortion clinic bombings/assassinations
Washington Sniper. (ex-military)
Uni-bomber
Olympics bomber (ex-military as well, first of four attacks by him)

Arent all these people of different races? I thought the point was racial profiling??

[decadecadeca]

More statistics to support my statements provided by the US Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics. All figures are compiled from census and survey information.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Home page

Sixty-four percent of prison inmates belonged to racial or ethnic minorities in 2001.

Lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for
-- men (11.3%) than for women (1.8%)
-- blacks (18.6%) and Hispanics (10%) than for whites (3.4%)

Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.

More than 6 in 10 persons in local jails in 2002 were racial or ethnic minorities, unchanged from 1996.

The prevalence of imprisonment in 2001 was higher for
-- black males (16.6%) and Hispanic males (7.7%) than for white males (2.6%)
-- black females (1.7%) and Hispanic females (0.7%) than white females (0.3%)

[FrankTheTank55]

You just like her rubbing on your hands. She only wants your $79.95 Frank, get over your crush. :moon:

Well she marked it down to $20 for me. Now, you know what your getting for christmas this year. I have a whole closet full of those kits...lol Just kidding I didnt buy any but I felt bad for not buying anything.

[mindstar]

the point is that racial profiling is rascist and terrorists come in all stripes.

And talking beyond domestic terrorism as it relates to America is misleading. First off because the OP was clearly on domestic soil. Secondly, internatinal terrorism has been sponsored by "american interests' as well as perpetrated against them. In fact, As american interests change, so do the terrorists.

I was in Nairobi when the bomb went off there, I am no defender of terrorism however, I believe it is you who is letting emotion cloud reason.

My original point was that in the USA, historically, you are more likely to encounter a domestic terrorist than an arab terrorist. In fact, many of the first Muslim related terror acts on US soil in the 70's were commited by American members of the nation of Islam. The fact that modern Islamic terrorists are responsible for more deaths in a single act than all of the previous domestic terrorists combined is a red herring, unless you're advocating ignoring inefficient American terrorists because though they may commit multiple acts of terror, they're not killing that many people. Collectively, the force of a acts of terror takes it's psychological impact from their unpredictability, their frequency and their efficacy. Only in the last category do 'arab' terrorists have a greater impact.

My point in asking for a study was not to deny that there are foreign born terrorists who have acted on american soil, some of whom are from the middle east; but rather to ask if they have occured, historically, more frequently than domestic terrorist acts. As it stands, I do not believe that this is the case.

Terrorism is a refutation of one's humanity, I will not argue that. However, racial profiling of the sort mentioned in the op's post which is not born out by any cohesive and intelligent logic is a sort of terrorizing of a population based soley on rascism. While I understand the impulse; emotion and intellectual laziness combined with protectionist tribalism, the impulse is, nonetheless, wrong. Furthermore, by participating in this behaviour, you undermine the best of what America has come to stand for.

[mindstar]

More statistics to support my statements provided by the US Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics. All figures are compiled from census and survey information.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Home page

If you intelligently interrogate the statistics you would see that inconsistencies in sentencing laws, poverty, and lack of education have more to do with the prison population than race does.

[decadecadeca]

Source: Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention

[decadecadeca]

If you intelligently interrogate the statistics you would see that inconsistencies in sentencing laws, poverty, and lack of education have more to do with the prison population than race does.

That is your opinion, and while you are certainly entitled to it that doesn't make it correct.

We could start another discussion on the how and why, many books have been written and hundreds of studies completed on that topic alone.

As I said earlier the statistics are there if you choose to read them. They're not popular and they force many to question what they believe to be true, but.....there they are.