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[NewbieChris]

That's common amongst theists. Some don't feel they can adhere to the beliefs of both philosophy and classic theology.

No, the greatest philosopher himself said he knew nothing. Now philosophers believe the know things...not true. The draw conclusions, and believe they have answers...and judge those that dont agree with them...much like many religious people.

[Shibby]

It's not all Christians....We all sin....Didn't feel like reading all of your pandemonium nonsense.

Sin is a theological offense. So no theology, no sin. Try again.

[Shibby]

No, the greatest philosopher himself said he knew nothing. Now philosophers believe the know things...not true. The draw conclusions, and believe they have answers...and judge those that dont agree with them...much like many religious people.

Well I don't know of the ones that think they have any answers but their own, but here is something to think about. All those stories in the bible that aren't meant to be read literally... What's the other way to interpenetrate and apply them? Metaphorically, philosophically... or is the philosophy of jebus the only philosophy that isn't crap?

[Shibby]

Talking to you is like talking to a wall...You always have an answer for religion...Honestly....It's a waste of time trying to debate with you about religion; seriously...You're that asshole that needs to get slapped:) Why the fuck do you care what people believe in? Seriously...Grow up man...You always have to be right about religion, theology, etc....Listen...I believe when I die, I will go to heaven...Why the fuck you care what I believe in?

I don't have any answers about religion. If I did there wouldn't be a debate. It just seems to you that I am always right because it makes so much sense. It's not my fault you are always wrong about it :) You always get so defensive and then state the basics of what you believe. You seem to be trying to convince yourself of what you believe more than others. I will stop caring about what others believe theologically, when my life isn't affected by it. You shouldn't be so afraid of questions if you truly believe. Once you are able to analyze all faiths with the same critical mind you would anything else in life; you will see there is more to theology than blind faith. Before you or anyone says anything about your faith not being blind, blah blah blah...because of your faith you are unable to evaluate your faith with an intellectual honesty.

[Bouncer]

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[Bouncer]

and judge those that dont agree with them...much like many religious people.

sort of like you saying people that don't follow "rules" aren't Cristian...

[Bouncer]

I don't have any answers about religion. If I did there wouldn't be a debate. It just seems to you that I am always right because it makes so much sense. It's not my fault you are always wrong about it :) You always get so defensive and then state the basics of what you believe. You seem to be trying to convince yourself of what you believe more than others. I will stop caring about what others believe theologically, when my life isn't affected by it. You shouldn't be so afraid of questions if you truly believe. Once you are able to analyze all faiths with the same critical mind you would anything else in life; you will see there is more to theology than blind faith. Before you or anyone says anything about your faith not being blind, blah blah blah...because of your faith you are unable to evaluate your faith with an intellectual honesty.

much better said then i could put into words.

[NewbieChris]

Well I don't know of the ones that think they have any answers but their own, but here is something to think about. All those stories in the bible that aren't meant to be read literally... What's the other way to interpenetrate and apply them? Metaphorically, philosophically... or is the philosophy of jebus the only philosophy that isn't crap?

My only point about philosophers is that they are open minded, but only to a point. The impression I received was that there is no wrong answer to a philosophical question. Simply put, I was taught you must state your case and back it up with logic. However, I don't believe logic to be a constant as many philosophers treat it. Thus, somehow my point was never valid to the professor. From that grew a distaste for the course of study.

This really has nothing to do with my religion, because my faith is based not only on stories in the Bible. I do believe the Bible teaches a philosophy for people to follow. I believe there are few un-ending philosophies (Gods laws) that he wants us to understand and follow. That doesn't make the Bible and those laws and ultimate rule for anyone, but me. Simply put, I follow what the Bible has taught me and I cannot apply to that others to judge them, or rather SHOULD not. As I am imperfect, sh*t happens.

All I can really hope is that people take from it that God doesn't hate anyone, that the stories in the Bible (if you believe them all to be true) are not a set of unchangeable rules, as they already contradict themselves. The one theme (in Christianity) that is important, IMO, is the theme that God loves all his children and that there are tests put upon on to test faith and how we treat others. I use that criteria to judge a Christian, and it remains constant solid definition.

I'm still not fully sure I believe the 'No True Scotsman' story. Because as a people we have defined what being Scottish is. Scotsman would just be an alternate term for that. You can't redefine it, Christianity is different.

[NewbieChris]

I don't have any answers about religion. If I did there wouldn't be a debate. It just seems to you that I am always right because it makes so much sense. It's not my fault you are always wrong about it :) You always get so defensive and then state the basics of what you believe. You seem to be trying to convince yourself of what you believe more than others. I will stop caring about what others believe theologically, when my life isn't affected by it. You shouldn't be so afraid of questions if you truly believe. Once you are able to analyze all faiths with the same critical mind you would anything else in life; you will see there is more to theology than blind faith. Before you or anyone says anything about your faith not being blind, blah blah blah...because of your faith you are unable to evaluate your faith with an intellectual honesty.

There is a great deal of this that is not true about faith based people.

Also, you will never be able to stop 'caring' about theology given your criteria. Even if we were able to shed ourselves of it in modern times, it still affects every facet of your life. From the way society treats gender to the was society treats other people.

[Shibby]

My only point about philosophers is that they are open minded, but only to a point. The impression I received was that there is no wrong answer to a philosophical question. Simply put, I was taught you must state your case and back it up with logic. However, I don't believe logic to be a constant as many philosophers treat it. Thus, somehow my point was never valid to the professor. From that grew a distaste for the course of study.



I'm still not fully sure I believe the 'No True Scotsman' story. Because as a people we have defined what being Scottish is. Scotsman would just be an alternate term for that. You can't redefine it, Christianity is different.

This may sound like semantics, but philosophy can have wrong answers, but no right answers. There needs to be a comprehensive logic that is compatible with your answer. To have an answer but not a complete reason for it, makes it incomplete or wrong. This is a complete guess but it seems more like your professor didn't accept it as answer because it was incomplete therefore making it invalid.




What does it mean to be Scottish? To be someone from Scotland. What does it mean to be from Scotland (Scotsman)? That's different for every Scotsman.

Just like to be American is to be from America. But what does it men to BE American.

[Shibby]

There is a great deal of this that is not true about faith based people.

Also, you will never be able to stop 'caring' about theology given your criteria. Even if we were able to shed ourselves of it in modern times, it still affects every facet of your life. From the way society treats gender to the was society treats other people.

While I was being partially facetious through the first few sentences, I would like to hear why you thing most of it doesn't apply to faith based people.

I agree there probably won't be a time that I will be able to stop caring about theology. I am going to keep trying though. Keep trying to put religion where it belongs. Back into the personal lives of the faithful and not littered in everything that is suppose to be neutral. Freedom of religion is your right to practice your faith without being persecuted. It is also the freedom not to have religion forced into "every facet" of ones life.

[decadecadeca]

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Amen.

[NewbieChris]

This may sound like semantics, but philosophy can have wrong answers, but no right answers. There needs to be a comprehensive logic that is compatible with your answer. To have an answer but not a complete reason for it, makes it incomplete or wrong. This is a complete guess but it seems more like your professor didn't accept it as answer because it was incomplete therefore making it invalid.

Why does the answer have to be based on logic, when so much of the universe cannot be defined in logical terms?

While I was being partially facetious through the first few sentences, I would like to hear why you thing most of it doesn't apply to faith based people.

I re-read what you wrote. I thought that you were using the term 'you' to apply to all religious people. So, Never mind on that.

I agree there probably won't be a time that I will be able to stop caring about theology. I am going to keep trying though. Keep trying to put religion where it belongs. Back into the personal lives of the faithful and not littered in everything that is suppose to be neutral. Freedom of religion is your right to practice your faith without being persecuted. It is also the freedom not to have religion forced into "every facet" of ones life.

I agree with you 100% here. I have the same feeling. One of the reasons I say people like, God Hates Fags! Love Gods Way! isn't a Christian website in my mind.

However, you live in America so its just not going to happen. Everyone here believes the government needs to protect them from everything because if it doesn't enforce a Christian Gods law we will all die. Or if it doesn't stop people from drinking they will hit someone in another car while driving home. We have become so afraid of everything, we actually depend on the government to save us. Hence the reason Christianity (main influence in the country you and I live in) will ALWAYS have influence here.

[Shibby]

Why does the answer have to be based on logic, when so much of the universe cannot be defined in logical terms?

My understanding of it is that the answer is suppose to be applied universally. So the only thing you can base it on is logic and not anything supernatural. If you have to adhere to a specific belief for the answer to be justified then it just becomes a circular argument. This doesn't mean a logical answer can't complement your belief, just that your belief can't be the source of your answer.

[NewbieChris]

My understanding of it is that the answer is suppose to be applied universally. So the only thing you can base it on is logic and not anything supernatural. If you have to adhere to a specific belief for the answer to be justified then it just becomes a circular argument. This doesn't mean a logical answer can't complement your belief, just that your belief can't be the source of your answer.

An argument can be based on more than just logic or theology. I will think of an example and post a better response tomorrow.