Race/Religion question - sensible debate

[Mr I]

excellent post, can say it about most all religions and how I also see


mr. incredible, you need to note, you're looking at the situation statically, thinking this guys kids and grandkids will see the world thru the same eyes, which is impossible, his point of view was developed where he grew up, and his values are entrenched, his kids are probably more english than muslim, although they know both sets of customs

look at russia and china, in the sixties and seventies it was general knowledge they would be capitalist kiilling communists forever, and what are they like now, well it's forty years late, two complete new generations have been born, and they love capitalism, something about freedom and getting paid more if you work hard and at what you love rather than what you are told seems for some odd reasoon to appeal to all people

quite a soothing point of view, well put, clearly some don't fitwith what your saying though, 9/11 they didn't see it your way, bali bombers didn't, tube bomers in London didn't, they were muslim before they were any nationality and wern't concerned with material worth, I see where your coming from but it just seems that islam produces more extreemists than any and while we can all say what should be the case, it often isn't in the muslim mindset, not that they're all the same but less of them than any other religion seem to want to integrate more convert others

[Shibby]

quite a soothing point of view, well put, clearly some don't fitwith what your saying though, 9/11 they didn't see it your way, bali bombers didn't, tube bomers in London didn't, they were muslim before they were any nationality and wern't concerned with material worth, I see where your coming from but it just seems that islam produces more extreemists than any and while we can all say what should be the case, it often isn't in the muslim mindset, not that they're all the same but less of them than any other religion seem to want to integrate more convert others

There is a book by Sam Harris where he discussing this very well.

Amazon.com: The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason: Sam Harris: Books

[trip]

Islam does not produce extremists. Total friggin nut jobs do, and these ones happen to come from the most impoverished place on the planet where human beings are still viewed as assets to own like slaves, these nut jobs are just total control freaks, they're mind set is still based on idea's of 600 years ago where the more kids you have the richer you are cause they can work in the fields, and the only way to keep them down on the farm is thru mind control techniques.

The world generally belives now assets, machines, are worth more and easier to control and produce more for a higher standard of living of all.

Look at what is going on in Iran, gosh, we thought they all wanted the nuke to destroy when it turns out they just want good jobs, the internet, and blue jeans, and too have more ses, lol.

the bottom line is there will always be nut jobs everywhere, as there always have been, that's life

personally i don't see much difference between 9-11 or katrina, as a matter of fact the tsunami in malaysia killed 200k people, and actually can be prevented, yet, where is the outrage over that, bad things happen

[Shibby]

personally i don't see much difference between 9-11 or katrina, as a matter of fact the tsunami in malaysia killed 200k people, and actually can be prevented, yet, where is the outrage over that, bad things happen

Natural disaster vs act of terrorism... Katrina: we could build better levees but people also choose to live there knowing the anomalies are possible. Tsunami: I'm not sure how a lot of it could have been prevented didn't follow it much, but it's just about containing the water. 9/11: What ever protections and preventions you put in place, Muslim extremists will make adjustments. I need a lot more explanation to follow how you feel about this.