I can see newbiechris doing this... R8 < BMW

[Bouncer]

They said, top half. Not first. The point of posting that link was not to say the 370Z is shitty, but you can't see past the choice in vehicle you have made. That is the definition of a fan boy. The problem with car reviewing is that there are many different people in the world and many criteria. Seating position, for example. That is the other reason for the post I made. Have you driven a MX-5? How fast you get somewhere is only one portion of a larger puzzle. The e30 M3 was much slower than any production car today, yet somehow it is still more fun to drive round a track. Why? It is a go kart. Overall driving experience, especially considering you aren't competing, is what you should be looking for. I don't think you will push the Z around a track as a track instructor would.

As for the first half:

Which M3 had the best styling? Styling is a personal opinion and in mine the e90 is beautiful, as for build quality...about the only time BMW hasn't had significant recalls was before computer design, so the only M3 that you can talk about is the e30. Also, we aren't talking about issues that are resolved via recall, we car talking overall driving ability of a car. If we were talking about recalls, all you have to do is google recall audi and see how terrible they are. Merc is the best in the German breed, nix the early ML that killed their reliability rating.

And if you are refering to the e46 M3 as reliable...you have another thing coming. Again, I loved my M3's, but so many common issues. SUB FRAME FAILURE!?!?! Transmission failure, and then there is the piston failures in the earlier models. This is not to deter anyone interested in the car, they have a very temperamental balance due to how well they drive.

I just think you need to take a step back and realize that you are half talking out of your ass. I would honestly like to see you toy with your own car before you talk about build quality and how a 'badge' is dying due to your lack of enthusiasm over design.

my point still stands as far as Audi becoming a very strong badge in the last few years. BMW hasn't really done anything recently to really stand up against audi. i think you mistook my post as saying "the 370 is better then BMW" when what I was really saying was, "Audi has become the better company over BMW".

as far as driving the mx-5 ummm i cant fit in the fucken thing. :disagree:

[dna9488]

R35 skyline - even for a tanker it tracks well and pulls on cars 200k richer.

:agreed: