Who here is a homophobe?

[mofo]

They do give you a title and it's one that comes with legal benefits. There are a lot of legal points to it. A major part of the issue. It's just been a few years that some companies extend benefits to a domestic partner. While the title itself is irrelevant it's the recognition that comes with it that has meaning. The amount is dependent on the couple.

i agree, but traditional heterosexual couples have been taking advantage of the legal system as well. i mean, i read a few articles about gay couples (1 homosexual female couple and 1 homosexual male couple) marrying the opposite sex for the sole purpose of receiving those legal benefits. people get married all the time to reap the benefits (immigration is the biggest issue i can think of), so what is wrong with homosexuals who actually do want to be together and want to receive them?

[Shibby]

bla bla. they give you a title. in a world with well over a 50% divorce rate, cheating, abuse etc.. surprised anyone wants to get married anymore. seems like a negative to me..

They do give you a title and it's one that comes with legal benefits. There are a lot of legal points to it. A major part of the issue. It's just been a few years that some companies extend benefits to a domestic partner. While the title itself is irrelevant it's the recognition that comes with it that has meaning. The amount is dependent on the couple.

[Bouncer]

In a ceremony yes, in a court house no.

bla bla. they give you a title. in a world with well over a 50% divorce rate, cheating, abuse etc.. surprised anyone wants to get married anymore. seems like a negative to me..

[Shibby]

here is one for you guys, marriage means nothing be it man and women or man and man. its a worthless title were people gets rings and go through a stupid ritual of an ugly white dress and deal with people you dont like. :)

In a ceremony yes, in a court house no.

[Bouncer]

here is one for you guys, marriage means nothing be it man and women or man and man. its a worthless title were people gets rings and go through a stupid ritual of an ugly white dress and deal with people you dont like. :)

[NewbieChris]

These feelings are not instinctual, they are taught.

:clapback::clapback::clapback:

[Shibby]

I see what you mean shibb - I'm just not there as a person , maybe it's being a bigot or something else , I don't know shit about the government and marriage rights etc .. just saying the way I feel about it right now, if things change I'll re-aval then. If that means i'm a bigot or whatever, so be it for now - cheers.

I'm not going to say what you are or aren't. But feeling the way you do without knowing why, is just another example of someone else fears and prejudice being passed on to the next generation. These feelings are not instinctual, they are taught.

[the art of war]

I see what you mean shibb - I'm just not there as a person , maybe it's being a bigot or something else , I don't know shit about the government and marriage rights etc .. just saying the way I feel about it right now, if things change I'll re-aval then. If that means i'm a bigot or whatever, so be it for now - cheers.

[Shibby]

I don't see this as one of those situations bro - I assume you are insinuating to race issues ? If so , like I said , I don't see this like that at all. Race and sexual preference is a topic I don't even like to compare because they are separate to me and that bothers a lot of people.

I wasn't specifying race. Race, single parent, sex out of marriage... So many things. As people stop being so obsessed about what people do in the bedroom it wouldn't be hard for the kids.

I wasn't sure if I wanted to get into this, but I have to mention how hypocritical it is to be ok with civil union and not support gay marriage. It's a copout. Marriage between a man and a woman is an excuse theist use to hide behind their archaic way of life. How is this proven? As soon as a state starts recognizing civil unions you have all these homophobic people placing a vote on allowing civil unions.

[the art of war]

when I reflect on it , it's the people who push for it that tend to turn me off from it. If people were more easier going in general the problem wouldn't exist. But it does to me and I don't want to go into it much more man, it's how I am, like I said no offense to your view, that's yours and I respect the right to an opinion.

[NewbieChris]

I think I'm going to walk away from this now...

[NewbieChris]

think what you want man, you obviously feel much stronger about this than I do - I am just saying how I feel, I'm sorry it bothers you but I'm not changing it.

And Im just pointing out, if you believe the government has the right to own that word and discriminate against certain couples...you have a very bigoted point of view.

Im also, not trying to start a fight or anything. Just make a point about how you should reflect on your feelings about the gays.

[the art of war]

I didn't say that you hate the gays. What I am expressing to you is that, I don't think your judgment of the situation is helping those kids. It may not be a judgment of the people, but it is a judgment of their situation. They both make the childs life more difficult, instead of saying. For example:

You are saying: "These kids have a hard life because they have gay parents"

Instead of (assuming its a good family): "These kids have food, a roof and people who love and care about them surrounding them"

Does that make sense?

yeah that would make sense to me bro but the fact of it is I'm not shut out from what any family can offer or lack there of. I'd love to see kids getting a fair shake in any situation, I just don't see it here, regardless of food and love - which I'm not trying to debate at all man.

[the art of war]

Think back 30 or more years. There are a lot of things that weren't a good place for "this world" at the time. How did we improve as a culture and as people...?

I don't see this as one of those situations bro - I assume you are insinuating to race issues ? If so , like I said , I don't see this like that at all. Race and sexual preference is a topic I don't even like to compare because they are separate to me and that bothers a lot of people.

[NewbieChris]

I'm not judging the kids bro - I just am very sensitive to how shitty life can be for a kid and I think that this world is not a good place for that sort of a scenario. I dunno I don't think I can get the way I feel across without seeming like I hate gay people, which is not the fact here at all.

I didn't say that you hate the gays. What I am expressing to you is that, I don't think your judgment of the situation is helping those kids. It may not be a judgment of the people, but it is a judgment of their situation. They both make the childs life more difficult, instead of saying. For example:

You are saying: "These kids have a hard life because they have gay parents"

Instead of (assuming its a good family): "These kids have food, a roof and people who love and care about them surrounding them"

Does that make sense?