Christianity Vs Islam - sensible debate

[IRON37]

so before the big bang the world was a very small space about the size of an atom? and where was this? what space did it occupy? as part of what?

Religion provides at least as comprehendable answer, thats the attraction, I just consider my ways christian and believe in a greater being, thats it really.

Love the science though, more so as I get older

this is a reassuring thread, in that yall are actually debating and not biting each others heads off just because of different opinions. And as far as the universes creation.. I tend to agree with most of what Bouncer has said. Our human minds cant comprehend such things. It not like we made the universe. To think we understand much of it is kindof being full of ourselves.

But I think as human beings we all really want to know the answers. Not knowing them is kindof scary, especially if youve been brought up in a religion to believe you have more waiting in the end. What created the universe? Was the consciousness before the universe was created? Is our universe a part of 'multiverses'? Are we the only forms of life? Is there a God? What if we are just like cells in a larger body, yet have eveolved to ironically understand our "human condition"? What does the edge of the universe look like? Are there limits to anything at all?

I would love to know the answers just as much as anyone else. But at the same time know that how we are now, thats just impossible. The fact that we even exist is truly impossible. Yet here we are.. I need a beer :hmm:

[Bouncer]

Besides dwelling on how the earth got made means you can't dwell on how to enjoy it as much :thumup:

we pretty much know how the earth was made. i think you mean the universe.

the planets in our galaxy were made of a "cosmic soup" so to speak. a combination of light and heat from the sun, gravity, and the soup of dust, rock, ice pulled together and compacted. even that "simple" act in the scheme of the universe is beyond us. imagine the forces it takes to compact all of that "stuff".

[Bouncer]

something else to really take in and think about.

when you look up at the average star in the sky. you are seeing the star as it was on average of about 20,000 years ago. if that same star blew up today, we would not see it blowing up for 20,000 years.

looking into space in effect is looking into time. the further away you look the longer back in time you go.

really think about that.

[the art of war]

trying to wrap your mind around something of that scale is something humans were not meant to do.

understand and agree with the rest of what you said - but what I quoted, is dead on bro. People make their lives so much more difficult when somethings are just better left alone. Besides dwelling on how the earth got made means you can't dwell on how to enjoy it as much :thumup:

[Bouncer]

dude's got some nice things to say but without a genuine hypothesis of how the universe was created it's nothing new, we are all still clueless to it. If I start down that road I go padded room ocd style, for real.

i dont think we really are clueless to it. i think the scale of time and size of "everything" is so much larger then we know in human scale that we simply cannot understand it. its like trying to explain physics to a 2 year old. (humans being the 2 year old). the scale is beyond us.

listen to this once more and really take it in. "if you traveled for 500 million years at the speed of light you would just be at the edge of our own galaxy the milky way. there are billions and billions of galaxys..."

do you understand how long 500 million years is? do you understand how fast the speed of light is? after all that we would still only be to the edge of our own galaxy.. let alone the billions of others.

again, trying to wrap your mind around something of that scale is something humans were not meant to do.

[the art of war]

Thats really cool vid, really comforting in alot of ways, doesn't explain the begining of the begining though, still leaves so many questions.

Example, how do you think the universe began? a big bang? so what was before the big bang?

dude's got some nice things to say but without a genuine hypothesis of how the universe was created it's nothing new, we are all still clueless to it. If I start down that road I go padded room ocd style, for real.

[mofo]

YouTube - Family Guy - Dinner with Jesus

bouncer and jesus

[Bouncer]

Don't worry my student, I was once just an apprentice like you :D


Seriously though, did you at least understand the George Lucas comparison?


The other part is explaining the questions with the unexplainable.

star wars.

[Shibby]

as much as i want to agree with you on this subject, i can never understand a single fucken thing you say. :pissed:

Don't worry my student, I was once just an apprentice like you :D


Seriously though, did you at least understand the George Lucas comparison?


The other part is explaining the questions with the unexplainable.

[Bouncer]

and George Lucas provides a comprehensible answer to what there is beyond our world.

What is the comprehensible answer to what god is, where he came from and why there is only one?

as much as i want to agree with you on this subject, i can never understand a single fucken thing you say. :pissed:

[Shibby]

Religion provides at least as comprehendable answer

and George Lucas provides a comprehensible answer to what there is beyond our world.

What is the comprehensible answer to what god is, where he came from and why there is only one?

[Bouncer]

so before the big bang the world was a very small space about the size of an atom? and where was this? what space did it occupy? as part of what?

Religion provides at least as comprehendable answer, thats the attraction, I just consider my ways christian and believe in a greater being, thats it really.

Love the science though, more so as I get older

no not the world. everything. everything that exists today as you know it was confined to a space to small for you to see. imagine something that dense. you really cant. like i said, the scale of these things are to much for us to grasp.

as for your comment "Religion provides at least as comprehendable answer". please see my signature.

people want to believe in religion because we want to think we have more meaning then we do. they want to believe we go up in the clouds after death and frollic around and sing all day because it comforts them. to this i say.. read the sig. :)

[Mr I]

so before the big bang the world was a very small space about the size of an atom? and where was this? what space did it occupy? as part of what?

Religion provides at least as comprehendable answer, thats the attraction, I just consider my ways christian and believe in a greater being, thats it really.

Love the science though, more so as I get older

[Bouncer]

Thats really cool vid, really comforting in alot of ways, doesn't explain the begining of the begining though, still leaves so many questions.

Example, how do you think the universe began? a big bang? so what was before the big bang?

the video doesn't really explain , just a neat vid.

yes the big bang. before that it was simply a very small and dense space about the size of a single atom. it couldn't contain itself anymore. and BOOM! like a nuclear reaction times infinity. it is thought that you can go down in scale well smaller then an atom on into infinity and on the other end of the scale you can go up, out past the universe etc..

the scale of the universe is to large for the human mind to grasp. if you traveled for 500 million years at the speed of light you would just be at the edge of our own galaxy the milky way. there are billions and billions of galaxys... and like wise on the reverse side of the coin, the scale of the very small is to small for the human mind to grasp.

we come out of time and space. a small blip on the radar is the earth and everything on it. we are absolutely nothing compared to the scale that it the universe, time, and distance.

[Mr I]

shibby, this is that video i wanted you to watch when your computer was fucked up.

YouTube - Carl Sagan - 'A Glorious Dawn' ft Stephen Hawking (Cosmos Remixed)

Thats really cool vid, really comforting in alot of ways, doesn't explain the begining of the begining though, still leaves so many questions.

Example, how do you think the universe began? a big bang? so what was before the big bang?