Deca is rich!

[decadecadeca]

You don't honestly think EVERY pro is gifted with above average genetics.

[Bouncer]

You don't honestly think EVERY pro is gifted with above average genetics.

every pro has FAR above average genetics.

every top level amateur has FAR better then average genetics.

[decadecadeca]

I think you need to take a biology class.

[Bouncer]

I think you need to take a biology class.

i think you need to get a clue about bodybuilding.

take the average guy and give him all the drugs in the world and extreme training, diet etc.. chances are VERY small that guy could even win a local show. let alone a national level show.

[decadecadeca]

i think you need to get a clue about bodybuilding.

take the average guy and give him all the drugs in the world and extreme training, diet etc.. chances are VERY small that guy could even win a local show. let alone a national level show.

Bullshit on the local show thing.

You may only get one Arnold in a lifetime but you'll get a shitload of low level placers that never win a show.

[Bouncer]

Bullshit on the local show thing.

You may only get one Arnold in a lifetime but you'll get a shitload of low level placers that never win a show.

you said any average guy could go pro. lol.

[decadecadeca]

The average male with average genetics has the physical potential to go pro.

I still stand by that.

People like Paul DeMayo or Tom Platz have a genetic propensity toward certain body parts, in their case quads. The average male could train like them, eat like them and take the gear they take and still never have those legs.

But to say the average male could never go pro even with perfect training, diet and gear is bullshit. He may never be the next Ronnie or Dorian but he could sure as shit place in the bottom for years and sign some shit deal selling whey powder in the back of MuscleMag.

[Bouncer]

The average male with average genetics has the physical potential to go pro.

I still stand by that.

People like Paul DeMayo or Tom Platz have a genetic propensity toward certain body parts, in their case quads. The average male could train like them, eat like them and take the gear they take and still never have those legs.

But to say the average male could never go pro even with perfect training, diet and gear is bullshit. He may never be the next Ronnie or Dorian but he could sure as shit place in the bottom for years and sign some shit deal selling whey powder in the back of MuscleMag.

bro, stick to what you know. feel free to talk about hick shit, nascar, etc..

you are clueless when it comes to bodybuilding.

[decadecadeca]

IFBB Pro Dave Kovacs.....gifted genetics?

[Bouncer]

IFBB Pro Dave Kovacs.....gifted genetics?

at one time before he fucked up his body with drugs and extreme bulking diets yes..

[Bouncer]

superior genetics

[Scrumhalf]

IFBB Pro Dave Kovacs.....gifted genetics?

That's nasty. Looks like he swallowed a hula hoop... :noo:

[decadecadeca]

at one time before he fucked up his body with drugs and extreme bulking diets yes..

So you're saying diet and drugs can destroy a pro even with good genetics, but diet and drugs can't create a pro even with bad genetics.

I disagree.

And I think we need to qualify exactly what we mean by "genetics" and what that term encompasses.

[Bouncer]

So you're saying diet and drugs can destroy a pro even with good genetics, but diet and drugs can't create a pro even with bad genetics.

I disagree.

And I think we need to qualify exactly what we mean by "genetics" and what that term encompasses.

diet and drugs can destroy a body yes.

no, diet and drugs cannot make up for someone lacking in genetics.