Pro Life/ Anti Gay?

[the art of war]

so mental traits are not genetic but physical ones are? come on bro, dont be stupid.

I honestly don't understand what you mean by that - not trying to be a wise ass explain it simpler for me bro.

[Bouncer]

thank god you came along lmao im gonna be stoned soon.

go get stoned to ease the pain of your deep faggorty. :rofl:

[the art of war]

LOL diff kinda stoning - jesus on the cross shit. god damn you dude lmao.

[Bouncer]

I honestly don't understand what you mean by that - not trying to be a wise ass explain it simpler for me bro.

you inherent physical traits correct? hair, eyes, skin, muscles, etc.. etc..

you acknowledge that genes get passed on correct?

people are born with mental and physical differences. who are you to say which mental traits are passed on with genes and which ones are not.

[the art of war]

oh okay i get you - I draw a line very firmly with psychological disorders because I both have one and I have had experiences with sociopaths and psychopaths - I know and understand their childhoods and where the switch flipped. In some cases I'm talking like 1-2 years of age, a memory that barely out of the sub conscious mind. My family genes don't have any known types of mental disorders - well if you call addiction a mental disorder there is that, but nothing like what I have - not depression not anxiety etc etc. My shit was brought on. I don't buy that people who kill , rape are born like that. not for a fucking second.

[Bouncer]

I don't buy that people who kill , rape are born like that. not for a fucking second.

i understand what you are saying about people making excuses for their actions etc.. i agree to a point.

but you would have to agree that people like Jeffry Dalmer or Ted Bundy are wired a little bit different then me and you.

no matter how those 2 fuckers were raised they would always be fucked up.

[the art of war]

i understand what you are saying about people making excuses for their actions etc.. i agree to a point.

but you would have to agree that people like Jeffry Dalmer or Ted Bundy are wired a little bit different then me and you.

no matter how those 2 fuckers were raised they would always be fucked up.

Dalmer's childhood is loaded with points where you see his sexuality start to turn from being picked on and he eventually had to become intoxicated just to kill so he could then have sex with the corpses .... he wasn't born like that , he was a pussy ass bitch that got picked on and couldn't take it - by the end he was eating people and fucking dead ppl. Bundy isn't much different - I know these faggots like the back of my dick dude. It's one area I actually take a huge interest.

[Bouncer]

Dalmer's childhood is loaded with points where you see his sexuality start to turn from being picked on and he eventually had to become intoxicated just to kill so he could then have sex with the corpses .... he wasn't born like that , he was a pussy ass bitch that got picked on and couldn't take it - by the end he was eating people and fucking dead ppl. Bundy isn't much different - I know these faggots like the back of my dick dude. It's one area I actually take a huge interest.

but do you think if me or you grew up in the same situation we would turn out like them?

its a combo bro. brain chemistry and situations.

[the art of war]

good point but here's my thinking there: most kids picked on growing up develop some type of a disorder - from depression to eating disorders , who knows you get the point.

a particular weak human is going to go for something more extreme - dalmer esp fits this to the T. He not only was picked on, his sexuality was overwhelming for his own psyche and I think that he did himself in brain wise. I still think it's the chemistry while alive - not from the rents. If it's from the rents and im wrong man,,,, ffucking must suck to have BTK as your kiddo..shit

[Shibby]

There are mental genetict traits and there are genetic mutations as you grow. It could be enviromental or not. Most people don't have a problem when somone is thought to be mentally gifted, but take it the other direction and people find it hard to grasp.

[the art of war]

There are mental genetict traits and there are genetic mutations as you grow. It could be enviromental or not. Most people don't have a problem when somone is thought to be mentally gifted, but take it the other direction and people find it hard to grasp.

But can anyone more than hypothesize about what is what shib? I mean seriously , nobody can simply say well that is all mutation or all trait for a certainty. Most of mentally gifted in areas of academics that I know (and I'm in a family full of them, aside from me lol) have serious issues due to the drastic ability to do certain functions but struggle hugely with relationships , coping with problems etc - it can be a real crap shoot - in my own family it has ruined marriage.

[Shibby]

You say you have a huge intrest in phsyc disorders, but you don't seem to reaserch the neuroscience part of it. Having a predispotion does not mean you will have identical genes. You will have markers in those genes matching generations before you. Some genes are resecive and some are dominant. As genes are passed to the next generations, the genes crossover with the chromosones realigning in a random assortment.

[the art of war]

You say you have a huge intrest in phsyc disorders, but you don't seem to reaserch the neuroscience part of it. Having a predispotion does not mean you will have identical genes. You will have markers in those genes matching generations before you. Some genes are resecive and some are dominant. As genes are passed to the next generations, the genes crossover with the chromosones realigning in a random assortment.

didn't know that - I didn't say I was smart with it all bro , I struggle reading a book it sucks - I'm open to learn though. So a resecive gene then could skip a long down a line of people for hundreds of years and pop up in one single individual ? That's insane to think about.

[Shibby]

I'll give you some other ways to look at how genes can make or break anyone, on any level.

Lets take a look at genetic diabetes. There is a certain way that the pancreas works and a way that the body responds to the release of insulin. Typically there are 3 ways diabetes works. The pancreas can secrete to much or to little insulin and/or the design of the host blood acts as an antagonist to the pancreas/insulin. This could be minor enough that it can be controlled by diet, moderate so that it can be controlled by a pill or sever enough to need synthetic insulin. So somewhere in the genetic crossover the chromosomes aligned in a negative mutation. Now if something as relatively simple as the pancreas can be malfunctioning to many degrees, certainty something as complex as the brain can malfunction to many degrees.

For a more psychological example, lets take a look at Autism. Autism has a strong genetic basis. Here's an image of chromosome mutation. The first image of each pair is before mutation. File:Single Chromosome Mutations.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In an unmutated pair, the chromosome would be mirror images.

In a very general definition, the brain is connecting neurons in an abnormal pathway. There many different levels of Autism. Some have sever impairments and some are high functioning.


Now for sexuality we know this is controlled by hormones. In keeping this one simple I will just tell you a little about a study I read a while back. It was found that in homosexual people, there hormones levels were unbalance in the traditional way of heterosexuals. So gay men would have higher levels of estrogen and lesbians would have a higher level of testosterone. Bi's have a higher level of the hormone that controls the attraction, or lack of, to the same sex. A bi woman would have higher testosterone levels, but not as high as a lesbian. Now this is only one factor in the development of gender, but it is also always changing. As we grow, the bodies production of both hormones constantly change, which the body follows on what other kind of chemical reactions go on all over the body. Including the brain.

[the art of war]

wow. That's some good shit dude. Thanks. You had me at slin - and I actually could focus on that check your PM real quick when you get a chance bro.