Founding Fathers US

[Mr I]

Of all the founding fathers only 4.3% were anything but Christian. The 4.3% were quaker. Ergo America was created by christians and is thus a christian country.

Discuss

[Shibby]

Prove it. End of discussion :)

[Mr I]

Google it shibbs you lazy toad, its well known

[Shibby]

BP was a british company. Ergo are completely responsible for the oil spill. Ergo british people are dusch bags.

[Mr I]

Why the hate shibbs, I'm only statin fact in respect of the religious denominations and then proposing a statement for discussion. Besides we did the BP thing already. Stick on topic please and don't jack the thread, cmon shibbs this should be right up your street.

[Bouncer]

That's the point of America, to have the freedom to choose.

To say "America is a christian country" isn't correct. It may have started out majority christian but has since become a mix of religions, cultures, etc..

Your statement would be correct if you were talking about a place like Iran. That is without a doubt a muslim country.

[Mr I]

Thank you for your reasoned response Bouncer. So by that logic you wouldn't consider africa black?

[Bouncer]

Thank you for your reasoned response Bouncer. So by that logic you wouldn't consider africa black?

first your were talking about religion and its influence on america and now your talking about color in africa. what does that have to do with your original question?

[Shibby]

My point about BP wasn't hate, it was an analogy. Assumptions and bias does not equal fact. You say it's a well known fact, but we now know there is so much more to the stories of history than a decade ago. Just because people may have been christian doesn't mean it was a christian country. It was a country of choice and freedom of religion which includes freedom from religion. You can search on this site to see extensive discussion on this topic by NC. Also, it's very well known that during the founding of the US, there were very few people that were open about not believing in a specific higher power or a higher power at all. To say you didn't believe in a God during that time could make your whole life difficult. Everything was about appearences and not truth.

[Mr I]

first your were talking about religion and its influence on america and now your talking about color in africa. what does that have to do with your original question?

I thought it similar in that you are effectively saying that those people that originated the country and there beliefs etc couldn't be regarded as a reflection of the country today since things have changed, in both cases other cultures, races, beliefs have come into the country. Race has changed and religion also

[Bouncer]

I thought it similar in that you are effectively saying that those people that originated the country and there beliefs etc couldn't be regarded as a reflection of the country today since things have changed, in both cases other cultures, races, beliefs have come into the country. Race has changed and religion also

if africa was in fact a much bigger mix then it is and it was say 20% white, 20% black, 20% asian, 20% middle eastern etc... would you consider africa black because it once was at its origin?

i was once a baby, would you consider me a baby now?

a ferrari was once piece of carbon fiber and aluminum....

see what im getting at? things change, people migrate, things get mixed up.

the queen once had full control over your country, not lets face it, she is simply an image.

[Mr I]

It really depends on the essence of those creators of the fabric of society that exists today. There will undoubtedly be change, but to what degree. My theory is that those founding fathers set the foundation on which Americas society is built.

[Bouncer]

My theory is that those founding fathers set the foundation on which Americas society is built.

I think everyone would agree with that in terms of setting the guidelines etc..

but i dont think its correct to say the founding fathers forever made America a certain religion just because they were of that religion.

[Mr I]

I think everyone would agree with that in terms of setting the guidelines etc..

but i dont think its correct to say the founding fathers forever made America a certain religion just because they were of that religion.

Agreed, and their religion to what ever extent guided them. Thus when creating the foundations the moral, ethical and to some extent practical aspects would have been influenced by thei religion, IN PART.

[Bouncer]

Agreed, and their religion to what ever extent guided them. Thus when creating the foundations the moral, ethical and to some extent practical aspects would have been influenced by thei religion, IN PART.

i would agree with that. there is no escaping the fact that religion was a big part of who people were back then and some still today.