Art Atwood Dead 09-11-11

[Scrumhalf]

What Deca said....

And I would venture to add that messing with the endocrine system is by far the most significant risk taking of all, considering the enormous lever arm that hormones wield in the body.

[FitnessBrat]

What Deca said....

And I would venture to add that messing with the endocrine system is by far the most significant risk taking of all, considering the enormous lever arm that hormones wield in the body.

Your endocrine system is such an important system of your body that you should never mess with.

[Mr I]

Your endocrine system is such an important system of your body that you should never mess with.

Agreed but everyone does mess with it. You ever take the pill?

[Mr I]

What Deca said....

And I would venture to add that messing with the endocrine system is by far the most significant risk taking of all, considering the enormous lever arm that hormones wield in the body.

Slin, diet, stimulants, pain meds, diuretics are yhe mosy dangerous. Little bit of tesy is no bi deal

[Scrumhalf]

Agreed but everyone does mess with it. You ever take the pill?

Not a reasonable comparison. The pill is backed with years of large scale clinical trials, double blinded placebo-controlled experiments, etc. A little test script is one thing but a pro BB's drug regimen is just one big experiment with themselves as the subject.

[Mr I]

Not a reasonable comparison. The pill is backed with years of large scale clinical trials, double blinded placebo-controlled experiments, etc. A little test script is one thing but a pro BB's drug regimen is just one big experiment with themselves as the subject.

You pretty much re-made my point on bbing drugs. Regarding the pill there are in fact trials that prove iy increases risk of cancer etc in certain age groups etc but the point is women dont seem to think twice about taking it unless they have before and had a bad experience with it. It seems duplicitous that the same people rail on aas. IMO bbing to include some cardio is a very healyhy persuit whwn you take out excessive food, diuretics slin etc. I also think yhat you soon know as an ameteur if you can be top level, some people just hyper respond to aas and diet and training and they are usually ok if they dont go overboard. Its the second tier down frpm them, the ameteurs that just cant turn pro or the pros that just cant quite beak the top 10 that are more at risk those people that feel they need to take just that bit more and listen to the likes of Milos etc

[lipripper]

you boys seem to be pretty smart fellows..... I like the logic in those thoughts Scrum...

[redneck99]

Just now hearing this.... very sad to hear indeed. I met Art in Dallas 5 years ago... great guy.

[bigscott]

Hmmm.. ok let's try again...

In the last few years, there have been numerous reports of bodybuilders dying young, especially in the elite ranks but also percolating down to the "advanced amateur" category. The question is whether this is due to their undoubtedly high AAS/other pharmaceutical usage.

One must be careful with this analysis. After all non-bodybuilders die young as well occasionally. There is a well known phenomenon called confirmation bias, where one tends to remember certain statistics but forget others, for example with psychics. People remember the times they happen to guess something right and forget the numerous times they get things wrong and come to the erroneous conclusions that they have some psychic ability.

The question is - do bodybuilders die young at the disproportionally higher rate than the general population, and can a causal relationship be drawn to their AAS/chemical ab(use)? Or is this merely confirmation bias - maybe we tend to hear about the bodybuilders who die young, but don't hear about the ones that live on to a ripe old age, and maybe the premature death rate of bodybuilders is no different from that of the general population.

It is an important question that should be of interest of many people on this board.

unfortunately many of today's bodybuilders are using a large amount of rec drugs .. which is far more responsible for early death then the gear itself

[Mr I]

unfortunately many of today's bodybuilders are using a large amount of rec drugs .. which is far more responsible for early death then the gear itself

Thats the kind of thing Im talking about aswell as taking the slin and diuretics etc to far. Some people just dont respect the drugs and some segway into other drugs. People sometimes think that one drug is the same as the next.