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    UPDATE 1-Particles found to break speed of light | Reuters

    * Finding could overturn laws of physics

    GENEVA, Sept 22 (Reuters) - An international team of scientists said on Thursday they had recorded sub-atomic particles travelling faster than light -- a finding that could overturn one of Einstein's long-accepted fundamental laws of the universe.

    Antonio Ereditato, spokesman for the researchers, told Reuters that measurements taken over three years showed neutrinos pumped from CERN near Geneva to Gran Sasso in Italy had arrived 60 nanoseconds quicker than light would have done.

    "We have high confidence in our results. We have checked and rechecked for anything that could have distorted our measurements but we found nothing," he said. "We now want colleagues to check them independently."

    If confirmed, the discovery would undermine Albert Einstein's 1905 theory of special relativity, which says that the speed of light is a "cosmic constant" and that nothing in the universe can travel faster.

    That assertion, which has withstood over a century of testing, is one of the key elements of the so-called Standard Model of physics, which attempts to describe the way the universe and everything in it works.

    The totally unexpected finding emerged from research by a physicists working on an experiment dubbed OPERA run jointly by the CERN particle research centre near Geneva and the Gran Sasso Laboratory in central Italy.

    A total of 15,000 beams of neutrinos -- tiny particles that pervade the cosmos -- were fired over a period of 3 years from CERN towards Gran Sasso 730 (500 miles) km away, where they were picked up by giant detectors.

    Light would have covered the distance in around 2.4 thousandths of a second, but the neutrinos took 60 nanoseconds -- or 60 billionths of a second -- less than light beams would have taken.

    "It is a tiny difference," said Ereditato, who also works at Berne University in Switzerland, "but conceptually it is incredibly important. The finding is so startling that, for the moment, everybody should be very prudent."

    Ereditato declined to speculate on what it might mean if other physicists, who will be officially informed of the discovery at a meeting in CERN on Friday, found that OPERA's measurements were correct.

    "I just don't want to think of the implications," he told Reuters. "We are scientists and work with what we know."

    Much science-fiction literature is based on the idea that, if the light-speed barrier can be overcome, time travel might theoretically become possible.

    The existence of the neutrino, an elementary sub-atomic particle with a tiny amount of mass created in radioactive decay or in nuclear reactions such as those in the Sun, was first confirmed in 1934, but it still mystifies researchers.

    It can pass through most matter undetected, even over long distances, and without being affected. Millions pass through the human body every day, scientists say.

    To reach Gran Sasso, the neutrinos pushed out from a special installation at CERN -- also home to the Large Hadron Collider probing the origins of the universe -- have to pass through water, air and rock.

    The underground Italian laboratory, some 120 km (75 miles) to the south of Rome, is the largest of its type in the world for particle physics and cosmic research.

    Around 750 scientists from 22 different countries work there, attracted by the possibility of staging experiments in its three massive halls, protected from cosmic rays by some 1,400 metres (4,200 feet) of rock overhead.

    (Reporting by Robert Evans; Editing by Tom Miles and Kevin Liffey)

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    I'm not buying it. This is not some obscure law we are talking about, it is special relativity which is one of the 3 pillars of the standard model of physics. I think this won't get closed anytime soon and at the end, my predication is that special relativity will come out still intact.

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    • #3
      it was scientific fact that the sun and the planets revolved around the earth for a good long time... something to think about..

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      • #4
        Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
        it was scientific fact that the sun and the planets revolved around the earth for a good long time... something to think about..
        That wasn't scientific fact. It was just dogma.

        I'm not saying it can never happen, but there is too much of observable facts explained by the combination of special relativity, general relativity and quantum mechanics that I find it hard to believe that these theories will be overturned. But anyway, let's wait and see. Pretty exciting times!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Scrumhalf View Post
          That wasn't scientific fact. It was just dogma.

          I'm not saying it can never happen, but there is too much of observable facts explained by the combination of special relativity, general relativity and quantum mechanics that I find it hard to believe that these theories will be overturned. But anyway, let's wait and see. Pretty exciting times!
          no, the scientist of the day all believed it to be fact. it wasnt until Copernicus made his discovery until the science world changed its view. it was much of a "fact" as the thought that light speed cannot be broken.

          the scientist at CERN may have just had a Copernicus moment and changed the rules for everyone.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
            no, the scientist of the day all believed it to be fact. it wasnt until Copernicus made his discovery until the science world changed its view. it was much of a "fact" as the thought that light speed cannot be broken.

            the scientist at CERN may have just had a Copernicus moment and changed the rules for everyone.
            My point is that there were no "scientists" back then, at least not the way we currently think of as science. In other words, an evidence-based rational and logical thought process. The current culture of scientific empiricism is probably two or three hundred years old at most.

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            • #7
              It's a miracle!

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              • #8
                God did it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Scrumhalf View Post
                  My point is that there were no "scientists" back then, at least not the way we currently think of as science. In other words, an evidence-based rational and logical thought process. The current culture of scientific empiricism is probably two or three hundred years old at most.
                  you are talking about science evolved. but just because we have rules now of what "makes" a scientist does not mean there were no great thinkers and explorers going back thousands of years. the Greeks, the Romans, Ancient Egypt, Ancient China, etc... all had brilliant minds. they were scientist of their time as much as the current scientist of our time.

                  i am a bit saddened by your attitude of the past scrum. you make it sound like all the great cultures and ancient civilizations were nothing more then cave men. :(

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by decadecadeca View Post
                    It's a miracle!
                    Originally posted by BEAST View Post
                    God did it.
                    and the mental midgets have arrived. praise the lord! :retard:

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                    • #11
                      and if you say Copernicus was not a scientist once again i am gonna have to kick your ass! :fight::pissed::fight::D

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post

                        i am a bit saddened by your attitude of the past scrum. you make it sound like all the great cultures and ancient civilizations were nothing more then cave men. :(
                        No bro, you misunderstand me. I am very excited about this news. In fact, I can't wait to see how this will turn out. I am just skeptical that it will hold up in the end, because what is being claimed is so monumental. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Time will tell of course, and the truth will prevail. That's the beauty of the scientific process.

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                        • #13
                          Lets gace it none of us know what we are talking about here

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                          • #14
                            I agree with scrum. So much has been built around physics as we know it today and certain things just wouldn't make sense without them. It's utter bullshit.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
                              you are talking about science evolved. but just because we have rules now of what "makes" a scientist does not mean there were no great thinkers and explorers going back thousands of years. the Greeks, the Romans, Ancient Egypt, Ancient China, etc... all had brilliant minds. they were scientist of their time as much as the current scientist of our time.

                              i am a bit saddened by your attitude of the past scrum. you make it sound like all the great cultures and ancient civilizations were nothing more then cave men. :(
                              Lol dude your arguing with someone who has a PHD. Scrum has probably spent 100's of hours studying physics. Your talking about great thinkers in the past etc who cares. Do you know anything physics? It just doesn't make sense.

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