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  • #16
    Originally posted by COLOSSUS

    i know. just lookin for an alternative cause of how i react with the Estrogen sides.
    ill just run the prop and keep both nolva and letro on hand.
    There is no alternative to test. Run nolv from the start to prevent gyno. No need for letro.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
      There is no alternative to test. Run nolv from the start to prevent gyno. No need for letro.
      will do. 20mgs good?


      sorry if im breaking forum rule but how much does prop usually run for? If im breaking rule then forget the question

      just seen a couple comments regarding prices lately.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by COLOSSUS

        will do. 20mgs good?

        sorry if im breaking forum rule but how much does prop usually run for? If im breaking rule then forget the question

        just seen a couple comments regarding prices lately.
        10mg per day should be enough.

        I really don't know what prop is never used it so never paid attention.

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        • #19
          well i got a complimentary prop with my rips that came in yesterday so thought about it...

          maybe im better off just selling that and buying some test E or C...

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          • #20
            You won't get the estrogen sides on Prop. It doesn't aromatise the same as the longer esters. Take 50mg EOD and you'll like the results.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Juiced1 View Post
              You won't get the estrogen sides on Prop. It doesn't aromatise the same as the longer esters. Take 50mg EOD and you'll like the results.
              That's 200mgs per week just a hair over HRT. He is like 26 he probably has more test in him naturally than that would give him.

              I do agree the estro sides will be less and easily controlled if needed

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              • #22
                Originally posted by COLOSSUS View Post
                well i got a complimentary prop with my rips that came in yesterday so thought about it...

                maybe im better off just selling that and buying some test E or C...
                Run test e or c. Screw the eod injections. They get old fast. If you want to run the prop run it for the first 2 weeks as your waiting for the test e or c to kick in.

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                • #23
                  colossus, dont let the prop go to waste.

                  get some test e or c and run it at a slightly lower dose the first 3 weeks. with the lower dose test e or c use the prop the first 3 weeks to kick the cycle off faster. after 3 weeks and the long acting esters have kicked in remove the prop and up the test e or c to normal dose.

                  sort of like a sust. reason i like sust is because it works so much faster then test e or c because of the short esters.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Chadd77 View Post
                    Run test e or c. Screw the eod injections. They get old fast. If you want to run the prop run it for the first 2 weeks as your waiting for the test e or c to kick in.
                    Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
                    colossus, dont let the prop go to waste.

                    get some test e or c and run it at a slightly lower dose the first 3 weeks. with the lower dose test e or c use the prop the first 3 weeks to kick the cycle off faster. after 3 weeks and the long acting esters have kicked in remove the prop and up the test e or c to normal dose.

                    sort of like a sust. reason i like sust is because it works so much faster then test e or c because of the short esters.
                    sounds good. thanks guys :weights:

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by ROCKETW19 View Post
                      That's 200mgs per week just a hair over HRT. He is like 26 he probably has more test in him naturally than that would give him.

                      I do agree the estro sides will be less and easily controlled if needed
                      Actually, due to the prop ester, it isn't equivalent to 200mg of CYP which is a TRT dose. I don't have all the data to back that statement up right now but I read a scientific journal awhile back about someone on 200mg of cyp per week and someone on 200mg of prop per week and the cyp person leveled out at around 1300mg of test in his system after 8 weeks and the prop person had 2100mg. It was a significant difference.

                      I also don't like it when people say "200mg is TRT dose and will just keep your levels at a natural level and you won't see much". Well, I'm 35 and for someone my age, my natural levels should be around 500 without any supplementing. I'm on TRT at 200mg per week and have been for the past 20 weeks and I get bloodwork done every 4 weeks and my levels are always at around 900-1100, so that's DOUBLE what my normal test levels would be for my age and I get awesome results from that. Less is more bro. I GROW off 200mg of cyp per week.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Juiced1 View Post

                        I also don't like it when people say "200mg is TRT dose and will just keep your levels at a natural level and you won't see much". Well, I'm 35 and for someone my age, my natural levels should be around 500 without any supplementing. I'm on TRT at 200mg per week and have been for the past 20 weeks and I get bloodwork done every 4 weeks and my levels are always at around 900-1100, so that's DOUBLE what my normal test levels would be for my age and I get awesome results from that. Less is more bro. I GROW off 200mg of cyp per week.
                        200mg of test E or C every 2 weeks is TRT dose. not every week. you are not on TRT dose, you are on low dose bodybuilding type cycle.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
                          200mg of test E or C every 2 weeks is TRT dose. not every week. you are not on TRT dose, you are on low dose bodybuilding type cycle.
                          Agree. But, do you agree that most "bro logic" on the boards say that 200mg of Cyp per week won't do anything for you?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Juiced1 View Post
                            Agree. But, do you agree that most "bro logic" on the boards say that 200mg of Cyp per week won't do anything for you?
                            on other boards yes. but i have said for a long time that 250mgs per week while looked at as low dose will still give good results.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Juiced1 View Post
                              Agree. But, do you agree that most "bro logic" on the boards say that 200mg of Cyp per week won't do anything for you?
                              It's not bro logic I take 250 test e per week and do great. But I'm not 26
                              Your levels at 900-100O are just on the high end of normal. Works good for you cuz you are 35 butt the OP is 26 my guess is his natural levels are way higher than yours. Not bro science it's real scienxe

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ROCKETW19

                                It's not bro logic I take 250 test e per week and do great. But I'm not 26
                                Your levels at 900-100O are just on the high end of normal. Works good for you cuz you are 35 butt the OP is 26 my guess is his natural levels are way higher than yours. Not bro science it's real scienxe
                                200 mg per week will do something for you at 26 bro. 200mg a week of synthetic test is higher then what even and 18 year old.would make.naturally.

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