Anyone here think churches deserve tax exemption?

[Turbo3000]

Bill Clinton was considered a big govt guy and he balanced the budget. Bush came in and sent it into the trillions by cutting taxes and going to war at the same time. And for the record, Obama hasn't changed or implemented one single policy on immigration so I'm not sure what you're talking about with people just coming in here and becoming a citizen. I have family in eastern Europe and it takes an act of god to get one of them over here.

God damn I love facts.

They took advantage of one of the biggest immigration policy changes in years. An executive order by President Barack Obama allows those who entered the country illegally as children to remain and work without fear of deportation for at least two years.

Your balanced budget from Clinton was Washinton accounting. He left office with a 5 trillion deficit, Bush increased it to 10.

Get off your party train abd realize they all suck. And get some facts straight before you show such admiration for a man.

[Turbo3000]

Undocumented immigrants line up for relief from deportation - CNN.com

[Juiced1]

God damn I love facts.

They took advantage of one of the biggest immigration policy changes in years. An executive order by President Barack Obama allows those who entered the country illegally as children to remain and work without fear of deportation for at least two years.

Your balanced budget from Clinton was Washinton accounting. He left office with a 5 trillion deficit, Bush increased it to 10.

Get off your party train abd realize they all suck. And get some facts straight before you show such admiration for a man.

Your original comment was: "you love making it OK for anyone to enter America and become a citizen?"

And then you posted some policy about children whom are already here being able to stay. That has nothing to do with policy changes on people entering illegally and becoming citizens.

All of our deficit problems right now are due to wars and military spending, NOT welfare and govt programs. If you like facts you'll appreciate that one.

[Turbo3000]

Your original comment was: "you love making it OK for anyone to enter America and become a citizen?"

And then you posted some policy about children whom are already here being able to stay. That has nothing to do with policy changes on people entering illegally and becoming citizens.

All of our deficit problems right now are due to wars and military spending, NOT welfare and govt programs. If you like facts you'll appreciate that one.

US will spend around 1 trillion in health care (government programs) in 2012
Around 1.4 trillion on military.

What a fact that you found. They both are costing us way too much, but don't act like it is a major difference.

Also, you stated that Obama had not made any immigration changes when he most certainly has. Please research your favorite candidate before posting bullshit.

[Juiced1]

US will spend around 1 trillion in health care (government programs) in 2012
Around 1.4 trillion on military.

What a fact that you found. They both are costing us way too much, but don't act like it is a major difference.

Also, you stated that Obama had not made any immigration changes when he most certainly has. Please research your favorite candidate before posting bullshit.

Obama hasn't made it any easier for an immigrant to enter america and become a citizen like you said in your original post. I think it's funny that just because someone has democratic/liberal views they automatically have some love affair with Obama. Obama is a very moderate liberal and I think he's OK, much better than the alternative. Bill Clinton was a great president, however.

Also, get your facts straight. From the article:

Keeping one American service member in Afghanistan costs between $850,000 and $1.4 million a year, depending on who you ask. But one matter is clear, that cost is going up.

One soldier, one year: $850,000 and rising – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

[Turbo3000]

Obama hasn't made it any easier for an immigrant to enter america and become a citizen like you said in your original post. I think it's funny that just because someone has democratic/liberal views they automatically have some love affair with Obama. Obama is a very moderate liberal and I think he's OK, much better than the alternative. Bill Clinton was a great president, however.

Also, get your facts straight. From the article:

One soldier, one year: $850,000 and rising – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

What facts of mine were wrong? You stated that defense cost more then health care and government programs. You jumped in with some soldier per year figure, I was giving yearly spending estimates.

Btw, my numbers were reversed. About 1 trillion in defense in 2012, 1.5 trillion for government health care and welfare. Still plenty of other government programs that I could lump in there.

[dago]

at the end of the day none of your opinions or facts will change shit...

[dago]

heres a fact

[Juiced1]

What facts of mine were wrong? You stated that defense cost more then health care and government programs. You jumped in with some soldier per year figure, I was giving yearly spending estimates.

Btw, my numbers were reversed. About 1 trillion in defense in 2012, 1.5 trillion for government health care and welfare. Still plenty of other government programs that I could lump in there.

Do you think we should cut out govt health programs like medicare, medicaid, and VA benefits? I'm sure a lot of our veterans and family of veterans on this very message board wouldn't be too pleased if that's your opinion.

[auri]

I think anyone receiving benefits, with the exception of vets and parties who have paid into and were promised benefits, ie retirees etc -excepting those types of people...all the rest should be drug tested, put on some sort of limitation for duration of benefits, and if they cannot find a fucking job, they can work for the state a few hours a day sweeping the street in order to keep getting tax dollars, and that still gives them ample time to job search.

[Turbo3000]

Do you think we should cut out govt health programs like medicare, medicaid, and VA benefits? I'm sure a lot of our veterans and family of veterans on this very message board wouldn't be too pleased if that's your opinion.

Dude, learn how to fucking have an argument. I debunk all of your bullshit, and you come back with some off the wall comments.

1. And opinion is exactly that, an opinion. So, I don't care what other people think about my opinions. Don't come on here talking about what other people on the board might think about my views.

2. Our veteran care.... Sucks. So, don't ever put words in my mouth. Medicare needs to be fixed, the government getting OUT of public health care would be the best solution . States should drastically cut medicaid, it is full of corruption. States cut medicaid, feds change medicare, and put some of those savings INTO taking better care of our veterans.

Please go learn some shit and start participating in a conversation if you want to start spewing shit out of your mouth. I have shit on everything you have stated, you come back with some more off the wall comments.

And for one last comment, Obama's executive order regarding immigration does make it possible for people to come into America and be granted amnesty. It is basically based on honor, illegals state how long they have lived here with their children, I guess everyone in your mind is honest Abe on those questions? Fucking no. Rosa and her kids could have arrived here 2 weeks ago, fill out the paperwork and state they have been here longer, and her kids get to go to our FAILING public school system. Illegals usually rent property also, so most don't pay public school taxes.

[Turbo3000]

Juiced please run for office. You have the politician gene. You state "facts" and when challenged you change subjects and attack your challenger. You would be great in our fucked up political system.

[mofo]

Working at a bank, I've seen not only churches and their accounts but organizations within the church as well. They have thousands upon thousands of dollars. Plus... little inside information, they are using interest-bearing accounts as well. They are making money off of their money. They are in the business of selling the idea of God.
And no one is going to stop them. S