Mike Matarazzo dies at 48

[blm]

200mg e7d raises my bp and hemoglobin to unhealthy levels.

Off cycle they are in normal range.

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If you took hrt dose of test and gh I don't think you could expect any health issues unless you had genetic reactions to thoss exogenous synthetic media, the hormones themselves shouldn't pose any risk at thst level putting you in the high side of normal.

Thats what all the retired pro's are doing now

I know for me anything above 250mgs a week raises my bp. When I'm off it is perfect at 120/80.
If it goes up it's not an issue to control it but you have to be aware of it. Half you guys wouldn't even know what your bp reading is.

[Mr I]

If you took hrt dose of test and gh I don't think you could expect any health issues unless you had genetic reactions to thoss exogenous synthetic media, the hormones themselves shouldn't pose any risk at thst level putting you in the high side of normal.

Thats what all the retired pro's are doing now

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I would like to think you can run some test and deca and still be pretty healthy. I think stuff like Tren and orals are what will fuck you up over the long term. Look at what tren does to your lipids, kidney function etc.

Blood pressure and cholesterol are the main things to watch. Like Morris said that's the stuff that creeps up on you. You have high blood pressure for years and that is eating away at your heart and kidneys. I currently take cialis or blood pressure. People shouldn't be concerned about acne and gyno and hairloss. That's the least of your problems. Worry about the shit you can't see that will affect you in 20 years.

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One thing with Matarazzo is he did blame steroids for his health. Guys like Prince and Morris both blame painkillers. Seems like a lot of these guys end up with other addictions.

[Mr I]

Let me clarrify what I mean, hyper responders like freeman and dex are exceptional and also vastly experienced in their own bodies. They also pay huge attention to health and remain in great condition year round. They also have built huge muscle density and have time to stay ontop of it and do cardio etc

They are the exception. All too often you get guys nit top tier and who nevef will be going to desperate extremes. If your not pro by mid 20s id say its not a goer, and if your not top 3 in pro shows by 30, its probably also a sign to leave

[Bouncer]

Competitive bodybuilding is a young mans game.

Haney is about the best example of knowing when to hang it up. Every show he won he deserved

Toney Freeman would disagree.

He still looks great but I do agree with you. He will probably keep going until he becomes a joke.

[Mr I]

Competitive bodybuilding is a young mans game.

Haney is about the best example of knowing when to hang it up. Every show he won he deserved

[Bouncer]

From wiki

Oh, god, where do I begin? I'd have to say that everything that led to my heart problem began the minute I started getting serious about competitive bodybuilding. In order to get bigger, I'd eat five, six, seven pounds of red meat a day, no vegetables. And I'd stay away from fruits because of their sugar.[10]
Worst were the chemicals. I have so many memories of being alone in a hotel room the week, five days or two days before a contest, and doing unspeakable things to my body—steroids, growth hormones, diuretics—anything and everything that we as bodybuilders do to achieve a certain look.
It has affected my whole life, so to all those guys who are on an eternal quest to have 21" arms and 20" calves, and who are so vain about their never-say-die attitude, I say, "Change your attitude." Worry about keeping that body of yours as healthy as possible, because it's going to have to last you not just through your next contest or to the end of your bodybuilding contract, but for a long time. And a long time for a human being is nothing. It goes by real quick, even quicker when your health is gone and you have nothing to stand live for.[11]

funny how certain things stand out in your mind. we make fun of the muscle mags now but every once in awhile they had something worth a damn. that Mike Matarazzo tell all stood out in my mind so strong that I remembered the the meat thing after reading it just 1 time.

i wonder if that article i read so many years ago influenced me somehow in terms of playing the "bodybuilding game" but doing so in a much more healthy way. i dunno.

the other article from the mags that was very powerful to me was the interview with Tom Prince where he talks about taking 16-20 ibuprofin per day for years. i had seen him at the arnold classic just a year or 2 before he got sick and he was so massive. to see those pics of him sick at 130lbs was something I will never forget.

[Ashoprep]

rip buddy

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=80anUAMGwLU

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From wiki

Oh, god, where do I begin? I'd have to say that everything that led to my heart problem began the minute I started getting serious about competitive bodybuilding. In order to get bigger, I'd eat five, six, seven pounds of red meat a day, no vegetables. And I'd stay away from fruits because of their sugar.[10]
Worst were the chemicals. I have so many memories of being alone in a hotel room the week, five days or two days before a contest, and doing unspeakable things to my body—steroids, growth hormones, diuretics—anything and everything that we as bodybuilders do to achieve a certain look.
It has affected my whole life, so to all those guys who are on an eternal quest to have 21" arms and 20" calves, and who are so vain about their never-say-die attitude, I say, "Change your attitude." Worry about keeping that body of yours as healthy as possible, because it's going to have to last you not just through your next contest or to the end of your bodybuilding contract, but for a long time. And a long time for a human being is nothing. It goes by real quick, even quicker when your health is gone and you have nothing to stand live for.[11]

[Herc]

Seems like all the giants of the 90s are dying. It's a shame.

[MattG]

Always a sad day when an iron brother passes on. RIP Mike

[Bouncer]

Yea it's more then just an abuse of drugs. They played a huge role but..

I remember reading an article in flex when I was a kid, pretty sure his dad died at a young age of the same thing. What also stands out in my mind is that he was known to be red meat crazy. At one point he was eating something insane like 6 lbs of steak a day according to him.

He was going to have heart issues genetically, add in the crazy bodybuilding lifestyle and it sped up the process. He probably took 15 years off his life with the lifestyle he chose.