CDC Whistleblower Links MMR Vaccine to Autism; Story Promptly Censored

[FitnessBrat]

Apparently Scrum got a new job.


Part of the reason for the "increase" in autism, isn't an actual increase. It's just that we are diagnosing more because individuals fall within the spectrum. You can have Asperger's, you can be high functioning, etc. It isn't as black and white as we used to make it.

[funniirishman]

Apparently Scrum got a new job.


Part of the reason for the "increase" in autism, isn't an actual increase. It's just that we are diagnosing more because individuals fall within the spectrum. You can have Asperger's, you can be high functioning, etc. It isn't as black and white as we used to make it.

I concur that there is a broad based desire to diagnose a wide range of behavioral issues and mental incapacity as autism. Just like ADHD, and I think that we are getting it wrong. More and more we look for a causation of problems within the medical arena, rather than our own backyard, lifestyle, and parenting or lack thereof. IMHO it leads to alot of misdiagnosis and catch all conditions labeling children, rather than taking care of them.

The problem I have with vaccinations isn't that they may or may not be causing autism..its wrapping my head around the government having their shit together enough to effectively implement it, and be up front about it. There have been cases, several, in history that show that a blind administration of a vaccine can be decimating.. That coupled with the United States aggressive vaccine protocol gives me pause to evaluate for myself the benefit of any particular vaccination for my child. DTaP vaccination comes to mind with tens of millions being paid out in settlements due to adverse reactions and deaths. So much so that those lawsuits were the catalyst to pharmacutical companies helping sponsor and push through the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) in 1986...which is basically a cover your ass piece of legislation that limits liability if something goes wrong with a vaccine. The Supreme court recently ruled that this law actually protects vaccine makers from product-liability lawsuits in state court seeking damages for a child's injuries or death from a vaccine's side effects.

What was concerning to me about that was this ""The Vaccine Act that Congress enacted nearly 25 years ago appropriately places the responsibility for determining the optimal design of life-saving childhood vaccines in the hands of expert federal agencies, not a patchwork of state tort systems,"..that came from Pfizer Executive Vice President and General Counsel Amy Schulman.

Vaccines have their place. Blind following of an inept governments vaccination program does not as I see it. That there is not more arbitrary and open source information on vaccinations bothers me, but I think its getting better as the world gets smaller. For me, I choose to educate myself and make the decision for myself and my children. I have that right, and so should everyone else-barring pandemic of epic proportion.

[Mr I]

I'm pretty sure the majority of board members on here would be put straight on the yellow bus lol

[Bouncer]

I'm pretty sure the majority of board members on here would be put straight on the yellow bus lol

You mean the short bus?

[FitnessBrat]

The problem I have with vaccinations isn't that they may or may not be causing autism..its wrapping my head around the government having their shit together enough to effectively implement it, and be up front about it. There have been cases, several, in history that show that a blind administration of a vaccine can be decimating.. That coupled with the United States aggressive vaccine protocol gives me pause to evaluate for myself the benefit of any particular vaccination for my child. DTaP vaccination comes to mind with tens of millions being paid out in settlements due to adverse reactions and deaths. So much so that those lawsuits were the catalyst to pharmacutical companies helping sponsor and push through the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) in 1986...which is basically a cover your ass piece of legislation that limits liability if something goes wrong with a vaccine. The Supreme court recently ruled that this law actually protects vaccine makers from product-liability lawsuits in state court seeking damages for a child's injuries or death from a vaccine's side effects.

What was concerning to me about that was this ""The Vaccine Act that Congress enacted nearly 25 years ago appropriately places the responsibility for determining the optimal design of life-saving childhood vaccines in the hands of expert federal agencies, not a patchwork of state tort systems,"..that came from Pfizer Executive Vice President and General Counsel Amy Schulman.

Vaccines have their place. Blind following of an inept governments vaccination program does not as I see it. That there is not more arbitrary and open source information on vaccinations bothers me, but I think its getting better as the world gets smaller. For me, I choose to educate myself and make the decision for myself and my children. I have that right, and so should everyone else-barring pandemic of epic proportion.

What do you mean by blind administration of a vaccine?


Obviously it's never going to be perfect. There are going to be people with adverse reactions, and probably a lot of them considering the amounts of people receiving the vaccinations. Hell the amounts of people with an allergy these days is astonishing. But I think we all have to agree that the benefit far outweighs the risk.

And btw, I'm not being argumentative, I'm truly interested in your opinion and what you meant by the above statement. I totally understand wanting to decide for yourself what you/your children are being injected with. Hell I don't even like being FORCED to get a flu shot, lol.

[Scrumhalf]

I think you are starting with a dubious premise, or at the very least, a premise that is based on an ideological rather than a factual or rational position - that you don't want government telling you what to do.

I have no problems with distrust of the government in principle, but in this case, there is the question of public health due to herd immunity. When people opt out of vaccinations, it lowers the immunity of the community as a whole. That is why I maintain that opting out of vaccinations is not supported by logic or by science. It is a purely ideological position - someone tells me that I need to do this, and I don't want to comply because I don't like the idea of someone else telling me what to do.

Right now, nobody is forcing anyone to get vaccinated, so the whole idea of big government forcing anything is a red herring. But at the same time, I don't necessarily want my health to be compromised because someone does not want to get vaccinated. Maybe the answer is that yes, you are free to not get vaccinated but you can't then participate in society, like send your kids to public schools, if you choose to do that. We already have something like that with smoking. Nobody is taking the cigarette from your fingers, but if you want to smoke, you need to stand 100 feet away from a public place, not do so in restaurants, etc.

BTW, it is ironic that there is this discussion right now of why this guy from Liberia was allowed to come into the US. In this case however, people have no problem taking the position that government rights trump his right not not disclose or get his Ebola treated even though he presents a public health risk.

[TKD]

I'm pretty sure the majority of board members on here would be put straight on the yellow bus lol

lol, have yourself another beer buddy :drunk:

[Mr I]

OMG its stalker guy on my cock, again ^

[FitnessBrat]

I'm pretty sure the majority of board members on here would be put straight on the yellow bus lol

I'm actually curious what you're saying, and/or why?