Whistleblowers tell the truth about vaccine safety and effectiveness

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Whistleblowers tell the truth about vaccine safety and effectiveness
Dr. Mercola
Mercola.com
Tue, 07 Oct 2014


In 2010, two Merck virologists filed a federal lawsuit under the False Claims Act against their former employer, alleging the vaccine maker lied about the effectiveness of their mumps vaccine (which is part of the trivalent measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine).

The whistleblowers, Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski, claimed they witnessed "firsthand the improper testing and data falsification in which Merck engaged to artificially inflate the vaccine's efficacy findings." ( 2 more quacks I suppose)

They charged that Merck used improper testing techniques; manipulated testing methodology; abandoned undesirable test results; falsified test data; and failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine.

They also claim Merck falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling; falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA; falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase contract; and mislabeled, misbranded and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, among other violations.

Merck allegedly falsified the data to hide the fact that the mumps vaccine in the MMR shot has significantly declined in effectiveness.1

By artificially inflating the mumps vaccine efficacy, Merck was able to continue selling MMR vaccine in the US and maintain its monopoly over the mumps vaccine market in the US and other nations that purchase Merck's MMR vaccine.

This is the main point of contention of a second class-action lawsuit, filed by Chatom Primary Care2 in 2012.

US District Court Judge C. Darnell Jones has now given both of these lawsuits the green light to proceed.3, 4

Also noteworthy is the fact that the Department of Justice (DOJ) has gone on record disputing Merck's apparently false assertions that DOJ previously investigated the issue and declined to join in the lawsuit because it found no wrongdoing by Merck.

Court Documents by Department of Justice Contradict Merck Statements

The Wall Street Journal5 initially published the following statement received from a Merck spokeswoman:

"This lawsuit is completely without merit. Merck has presented information that demonstrated to the US Department of Justice that these allegations are factually false, and after the department conducted its own two-year investigation, it decided not to pursue this lawsuit.


In addition, the FDA previously examined the issues raised in the lawsuit, and they were resolved to the agency's satisfaction. Merck intends to vigorously defend against the litigation filed by the plaintiff."

However, court documents filed by DOJ appear to refute Merck's insinuations that DOJ has already made a final determination in this case and sided with Merck. Kellie Lerner, a representative for vaccine purchasers, sent the Wall Street Journal the following statement:

"Contrary to Merck's assertions, the Department of Justice has submitted documents to the court affirming its 'strong interest in the outcome' of the case, and clarifying that its decision not to intervene 'should not be interpreted as a comment on the merits.'

More importantly, the government has preserved its right to intervene later in the proceedings. Based on the government's submissions to the court, we take issue with any assertion that the government has definitively concluded to not pursue this case." [Emphasis mine]
Does Faked Vaccine Efficacy Nullify Indemnification?

In order for a drug company producing and selling a in the U.S. to be indemnified from civil liability for vaccine damage, the vaccine must be licensed by the FDA as "pure" (safe) and "potent" (effective) and the CDC must have recommended the vaccine for universal use by children.

If in fact a drug company fakes or withholds information from the government about a vaccine's safety or effectiveness, does indemnification still apply? Likely not. And that could spell trouble for Merck.

This certainly isn't the first time vaccine effectiveness has been questioned. Even for vaccines that adhere to government standards for demonstrating effectiveness, while vaccine acquired "herd immunity" is thrown around like gospel, much of the protection vaccines offer has actually been shown to wane rather quickly. The fact is, vaccine-
acquired immunity does NOT work the same way as the naturally-acquired immunity you get after recovering from the disease.

Besides that, a majority of the adult population never receives boosters, so most of the adult population is in effect "unvaccinated." This too puts a serious hole in the 85-95 percent requirement to achieve vaccine-acquired "herd immunity."

Dr. Mercola and Barbara Loe Fisher - Herd Immunity - YouTube

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Whooping Cough Vaccine - Another Vaccine Failure

In 2010, the largest outbreak of B. pertussis whooping cough in over 50 years occurred in California. Around that same time, a scare campaign was launched in the California by Pharma-funded medical trade associations, state health officials, and national media, targeting people opting out of receiving pertussis vaccine, falsely accusing them of causing the outbreak.

Research published in March 2012 painted a very different picture than the one hyped by public health officials and the media.6

In fact, the study showed that 81 percent of 2010 California whooping cough cases in people under the age of 18 occurred in those who were fully up to date on the whooping cough vaccine. Eleven percent had received at least one pertussis containing vaccine, but not the entire recommended series, and only eight percent of those stricken were unvaccinated.

According to the authors:

"This first detailed analysis of a recent North American pertussis outbreak found widespread disease among fully vaccinated older children.

Starting approximately three years after prior vaccine dose, attack rates markedly increased, suggesting inadequate protection or durability from the acellular vaccine." [Emphasis mine]

So, as clearly evidenced in this study, the pertussis vaccine likely provides very little, if any, protection from the disease. In fact, basic science research suggests those who are fully vaccinated can still get infected with pertussis and transmit infection without even showing any symptoms.

A 2013 baboon study busted a major hole in the argument that vaccines achieve herd immunity, because while the whooping cough vaccine was found to cut down on serious clinical disease symptoms, it doesn't eliminatetransmission of the disease! With that in mind, vaccinated people may pose a far greater threat to others than unvaccinated people because they do not know when they're actively transmitting infection.

Merck Whistleblowers, CDC Whistleblowers - That's a Lot of Whistling...

In late August, the non-profit National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) renewed its call for oversight of vaccine safety to be removed from the Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), which is responsible for vaccine development, regulation, policymaking, and promotion and also serves as a legal respondent and administrator for the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP).7

NVIC's call came after a senior scientist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a public statement8 admitting he and CDC co-authors of a MMR vaccine safety study9 published in 2004 in Pediatrics "omitted statistically significant information" and that "the final study protocol was not followed." "I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information," he said in his statement.

If you can possibly lose more confidence with our CDC officials - who both promote vaccines while also having the conflicting duty of monitoring safety - listen to investigative reporter Sheryl Atkisson's interview with CDC Director of Immunization Safety, Dr. Frank DeStefano.

DeStefano co-authored the MMR vaccine safety study in question with Dr. Thompson. Not surprisingly, Dr. DeStefano defends the study, and maintains the status quo position that there's no causal link between vaccines and autism. Attkisson did get him to concede that there is the possibility that vaccines may trigger autism in some children, however.

"It's hard to predict who those children might be, but certainly, individual cases can be studied to look at those possibilities,"he told Attkisson.

Remove Vaccine Safety Oversight From DHHS - YouTube

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Study Questions Whether Autism and Cancer are Related to Human Fetal DNA in Vaccines

Despite the CDC's reassurances that all is well with vaccines, Dr. Thompson's confession coincides with the publication of a study10, 11 asserting there are significant correlations between autism and vaccines manufactured using human fetal cell lines contaminated with retroviruses. This includes certain MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella), Varicella (chickenpox), and Hepatitis-A vaccines. Moreover, the human fetal contaminated vaccines were also associated with childhood leukemia and lymphomas.

According to the authors, autism rates rose sharply each time a vaccine manufactured with human fetal cell lines containing fetal and retroviral contaminants were released. The cell line in question is known as WI-38. In the US, autism rates jumped in 1980-1981 following the approval of MeruvaxII and MMRII, both of which are made with the human fetal cell line WI-38. Another jump in autism prevalence occurred in 1988, corresponding to three factors:



The addition of a second dose of MMRII
A highly successful measles vaccination campaign that raised compliance from 50 to 82 percent between the years 1987-1989
The introduction of Poliovax in 1987



In 1995, autism rates jumped again in response to the introduction of the Varicella vaccine Varivax. In conclusion, the authors note that "rising autistic disorder prevalence is directly related to vaccines manufactured utilizing human fetal cells."

Pro-Vaccine Fundamentalists Targeting Anyone Questioning Safety

Many other whistleblowers have stuck their necks out in recent years, revealing widespread corruption in medical science - among researchers, drug companies, and government agencies. Many have also revealed that these agencies, organizations, and companies are not above using mafia-like tactics to maintain the status quo. For example, whistleblower Ronald Kavanagh was a drug reviewer for the FDA in the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research from 1998 to 2008.

In a 2012 interview, he revealed how the FDA bypassed or ignored safety issues on major drugs approved during his employment. He also gave several examples of how he was intimidated by the agency, to the point of fearing for his life and the safety of his children.

While many refuse to believe a government agency or a pharmaceutical company or special interest groups connected with government and industry would resort to such extreme measures, history, and the experiences of many whistleblowers tells a different story. Fundamentalists and big pharma shills are now targeting everyone who disagrees with the vaccine agenda. NVIC is one target.12 And, recently, a State Farm insurance company television ad that featured comedian Rob Schneider, who has publicly defended parental rights and informed consent to vaccination, was dropped by State Farm after a group of cyber bullies targeted Schneider for making pro- vaccine choice statements. According to MSN:13

"[I]t wasn't the content of the ad that created a problem for State Farm, it was the social media response focusing on Schneider's anti-vaccine stance. The company said the problem is that the ad became a platform for a discussion unrelated to the products and services provided by State Farm."

As reported by Jon Rappaport,14 the orchestrated social media campaign to pressure State Farm to remove the ad in which Schneider played a comic role included the creation of an attack video in which it was noted that: "State Farm provides health insurance, and nothing ensures public health more than getting vaccinated. It is time to end the anti-vaccination movement; with your help, we can elicit change." Schneider rebutted with a quote from George Washington, saying: "If the Freedom of Speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter." If pro-forced vaccination proponents consider those who defend the ethical principle of informed consent to be anti-vaccine, and they say it's time to "end" anyone who questions the safety and effectiveness of vaccines, then that sounds an awful lot like a now familiar threat from a major vaccine manufacturer - Merck, which had a hit list of doctors who criticized the deadly drug Vioxx. The hit list came to light in 2009, following testimony in an Australian Vioxx class action case. As reported by CBS15 at the time:

"Merck emails from 1999 showed company execs complaining about doctors who disliked using Vioxx. One email said: We may need to seek them out and destroy them where they live..."
Health care workers are definitely on the hit list of those who would force everyone to get vaccinated - no questions asked and no exceptions. In 2012, Missouri health care workers were threatened with corrective action for refusing the flu vaccine and were told they'd be ineligible for pay raises. Last year, eight nurses in Indiana were fired for not complying with the hospital's new mandatory annual flu shot rule, announced in September 2012. This despite mounting evidence showing that the flu vaccine is not an effective way to prevent contracting and spreading the flu. One nurses' union is now fighting back. According to the Daily Hampshire Gazette:16

"The nurses' union at one of Boston's major teaching hospitals has sued to block a policy that would require nurses to get flu shots... Brigham and Women's mandated vaccinations because its worker vaccination rate of 77 percent is far lower than the city's other teaching hospitals. Efforts to boost the rate, including free shots available around the clock, have fallen short... The union, which represents 3,200 Brigham and Women's nurses, said in the suit that the hospital's yet-to-be-implemented mandate, which could lead to termination of employees who refuse vaccination, violates a state regulation that bars hospitals from requiring employees to receive a vaccine."


Protect Your Right to Informed Consent and Defend Vaccine Exemptions


With all the uncertainty surrounding the safety and efficacy of vaccines, it's critical to protect your right to make independent health choices and exercise voluntary informed consent to vaccination. It is urgent that everyone in America stand up and fight to protect and expand vaccine informed consent protections in state public health and employment laws. The best way to do this is to get personally involved with your state legislators and educating the leaders in your community.

THINK GLOBALLY, ACT LOCALLY.

National vaccine policy recommendations are made at the federal level but vaccine laws are made at the state level. It is at the state level where your action to protect your vaccine choice rights can have the greatest impact. It is critical for EVERYONE to get involved now in standing up for the legal right to make voluntary vaccine choices in America because those choices are being threatened by lobbyists representing drug companies, medical trade associations and public health officials, who are trying to persuade legislators to strip all vaccine exemptions from public health laws.Signing up for NVIC's free Advocacy Portal at www.NVICAdvocacy.org gives you immediate, easy access to your own state legislators on your Smart Phone or computer so you can make your voice heard. You will be kept up-to-date on the latest state bills threatening your vaccine choice rights and get practical, useful information to help you become an effective vaccine choice advocate in your own community. Also, when national vaccine issues come up, you will have the up-to-date information and call to action items you need at your fingertips..

So please, as your first step, sign up for the NVIC Advocacy Portal.

Share Your Story with the Media and People You Know

If you or a family member has suffered a serious vaccine reaction, injury or death, please talk about it. If we don't share information and experiences with each other, everybody feels alone and afraid to speak up. Write a letter to the editor if you have a different perspective on a vaccine story that appears in your local newspaper. Make a call in to a radio talk show that is only presenting one side of the vaccine story.

I must be frank with you; you have to be brave because you might be strongly criticized for daring to talk about the "other side" of the vaccine story. Be prepared for it and have the courage to not back down. Only by sharing our perspective and what we know to be true about vaccination will the public conversation about vaccination open up so people are not afraid to talk about it.

We cannot allow the drug companies and medical trade associations funded by drug companies or public health officials promoting forced use of a growing list of vaccines to dominate the conversation about vaccination. The vaccine injured cannot be swept under the carpet and treated like nothing more than "statistically acceptable collateral damage" of national one-size-fits-all mandatory vaccination policies that put way too many people at risk for injury and death. We shouldn't be treating people like guinea pigs instead of human beings.

Internet Resources Where You Can Learn More

I encourage you to visit the website of the non-profit charity, the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), atwww.NVIC.org:


NVIC Memorial for Vaccine Victims: View descriptions and photos of children and adults, who have suffered vaccine reactions, injuries and deaths. If you or your child experiences an adverse vaccine event, please consider posting and sharing your story here.
If You Vaccinate, Ask 8 Questions: Learn how to recognize vaccine reaction symptoms and prevent vaccine injuries.
Vaccine Freedom Wall: View or post descriptions of harassment and sanctions by doctors, employers, school and health officials for making independent vaccine choices.



Connect with Your Doctor or Find a New One That Will Listen and Care

If your pediatrician or doctor refuses to provide medical care to you or your child unless you agree to get vaccines you don't want, I strongly encourage you to have the courage to find another doctor. Harassment, intimidation, and refusal of medical care is becoming the modus operandi of the medical establishment in an effort to stop the change in attitude of many parents about vaccinations after they become truly educated about health and vaccination.

However, there is hope.

At least 15 percent of young doctors recently polled admit that they're starting to adopt a more individualized approach to vaccinations in direct response to the vaccine safety concerns of parents. It is good news that there is a growing number of smart young doctors, who prefer to work as partners with parents in making personalized vaccine decisions for children, including delaying vaccinations or giving children fewer vaccines on the same day or continuing to provide medical care for those families, who decline use of one or more vaccines.

So take the time to locate a doctor, who treats you with compassion and respect and is willing to work with you to do what is right for your child.

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Sources and References



1 Courthouse News Service June 27, 2012
2 Wall Street Journal September 10, 2014
3 Case 2:10-cv-04374-CDJ Document 61 Filed 09/05/14 (PDF)
4 Wall Street Journal September 10, 2014
5 Wall Street Journal September 10, 2014
6 Clinical Infectious Diseases March 15, 2012
7 Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP)
8 Morgan Verkamp LLC Press Release August 27, 2014
9 A Population-Based Study in Metropolitan Atlanta
10 Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology September 2014: 6(9); 271-284 (PDF)
11 Globalresearch.org September 8, 2014
12 Facebook, We Love GMOs and Vaccines
13 MSN September 25, 2014
14 Jon Rappaprt September 24, 2014
15 CBS May 6, 2009
16 Daly Hampshire Gazette September 25, 2014

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Mercola is the biggest bullshitter around. I cant believe anyone follows what that guy has to say.

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Mercola is the biggest bullshitter around. I cant believe anyone follows what that guy has to say.

LOL.Have you even researched his professional background? I mean other than the slander campaigns initiated by the gov't and big pharm??

How about Stephen Krahling and Joan Wlochowski?? Are they nuts as well?? They were lead scientists for Merck.

I don't know man,the list of quacks speaking out against these poisons is growing each day.A reminder to all though,they are only labeled "quacks' AFTER they speak up with the truth and confessing how they falsified THEIR OWN DATA and EXCLUDED KEY components of it while leaders of THE SAME COMPANIES that are now bashing them.

Ive yet to hear why anyone thinks that is.

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FDA Orders Dr. Joseph Mercola to Stop Illegal Claims

4 of the Biggest Quacks Plaguing America with False Claims About Science | Alternet

More Breast Cancer Awareness Month pseudoscience from (who else?) Joe Mercola « Science-Based Medicine


All of Mercola's so-called expertise is open for public viewing here.. LMAO.

Joseph Mercola - RationalWiki

Bottom line, guy is a fraud and a quakc. And a dangerous one. Follow him at your own peril.

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Dr Mercola's resume........

And so, my qualifications: first and foremost, I am an osteopathic physician, also known as a DO. DOs are licensed physicians who, similar to MDs, can prescribe medication and perform surgery in all 50 states. DOs and MDs have similar training requiring four years of study in the basic and clinical sciences, and the successful completion of licensing exams. But DOs bring something extra to the practice of medicine. Osteopathic physicians practice a "whole person" approach, treating the entire person rather than just symptoms. Focusing on preventive health care, DOs help patients develop attitudes and lifestyles that don't just fight illness, but help prevent it, too.

I am also board-certified in family medicine and served as the chairman of the family medicine department at St. Alexius Medical Center for five years. I am trained in both traditional and natural medicine.

In addition, I was granted fellowship status by the American College of Nutrition (ACN) in October 2012. In order to obtain fellowship status with the ACN one must meet a minimum of four requirements. Those requirements include: co-author five or more publications relevant to nutrition in referred medical or scientific journals, demonstrate significant experience in patient care, hold a doctoral degree from an institution that is accredited by the Regional Accrediting Organizations and maintain status with the ACN.

I was named the top Ultimate Wellness Game Changer by the Huffington Post, an honor that celebrates “100 innovators, visionaries, and leaders in 10 categories who are harnessing the power of new media to reshape their fields and change the world.” HuffPost readers voted me to the top to receive this special award.

For my insight on a variety of healthcare issues, I have been interviewed on national and local news, including:

Today Show
CNN
ABC's World News Tonight
The Dr. Oz Show
The Doctors
CBS, NBC and ABC local news shows
Time Magazine
Forbes Magazine
Dozens of Nationally Broadcast Radio Shows

I also authored two New York Times Bestsellers, The Great Bird Flu Hoax and The No-Grain Diet.

Education:

University of Illinois at Chicago – (UIC) 1972-1976
Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine 1978-1982
Chicago Osteopathic Hospital 1982-1985 Family Practice Residency. Chief resident 1984-1985
Board Certified American College Osteopathic General Practitioners July 1985
State of Illinois Licensed Physician and Surgeon

Medical Licenses
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Professional Organizations:

Fellow at the American College of Nutrition
Member of the International Academy Biological Dentistry and Medicine
Advisory Board member American Nutrition Association
Advisory Board member Price-Pottinger Nutrition Foundation
Advisory Board member Weston A. Price Foundation
Advisory Board member Bio-Solar Proto

Affiliations:

Chairman, Department of Family Practice at St. Alexius Medical Center, Hoffman Estates, IL 1988-1993

Publications:

Aspartame Can Harm Your Health British Medical Journal October 3, 2004

Fish Oil Far More Effective Than Aspirin For Pre-eclampsia British Medical Journal September 12, 2003

Managing Hypertriglyceridemia Canadian Medical Journal April 1, 2003

Nutritional Ignorance Will Sabotage Treatment British Medical Journal September 13, 2002

Dietary Manipulations That Resolve Atopic Dermatitis British Medical Journal June 7, 2002

Myopia Possible Link to Increased Refined Carbohydrate Intake and Hyperinsulinemia British Medical Journal May 17, 2002

Recent Advances in Nutritional Alternative to Parathyroid Hormone for Osteoporosis British Medical Journal February 26, 2002

Omega-3's and Childhood Asthma Thorax March 2002:57(3)281

More on Terrorism, Journal American Osteopathic Association (JAOA) January 2002

Many People are Taking Insulin Like Growth Factor Without Even Knowing It Western Journal of Medicine Vol 175 (6):378, Dec 2001

Fluoride and Apoptosis: Trading Dental Caries for Cellular Death? British Medical Journal July 20, 2001

Accuracy of Hair Analysis Journal American Medical Association (JAMA) 285:1576-77, March 28, 2001

Mercury Toxicity and Systemic Elimination Agents Journal of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine 11:53-62, March 2001

Columnist for The Townsend Letter, a nationally prominent alternative medicine periodical, from October 1997 to June 2001

Recurrent Otitis? Think Allergy Family Practice News page 12-13; October 1, 1996

Natural Progesterone for PMS Patient Care 30:27-28 September 15, 1996

The Basis For Microcurrent Electrical Therapy in Conventional Medical Practice J Advancement in Medicine 8:107-120, 1995

Cracking Down on "Neck Cracking" Am Family Physician 45:452-459, February 1992 (article to discourage patient's self-manipulation which leads to ligamentous laxity)

Minocycline Trials in Rheumatoid Arhtritis Patient Care January 20, 1992 p.20-21

Calcium Channel Blockers and Dysmenorrhea J Adolescent Health 1:1-2, January 1992

Better Sleep For Less Pain in Hand Rheumatoid Arthritis Patient Care December 15, 1991 p. 15

Nutrition Software Helps Monitor Patients' Diets Computer News For Physicians, p. 29-30. June 15, 1990

Premarital HIV Testing JAMA 261:2198, April 21, 1989

Served as editor for HIV Monograph by Abbott Laboratories published in 1989 and distributed to physicians nationally

Private Resources Should Share AIDS Funding Responsibility J Amer Osteo Assoc 88:313, March 1988

What Physicians Should Know About AIDS Antibody Testing Osteo Med News December 1988

Premarital HIV Test Is Worth the Money Am Med News p.45 September 9, 1988

Pediatrics and AIDS JAMA 258:3119-3120, December 4, 1987

Recent Developments In Smoking Cessation. Osteo Annals 14:31-32, 1987

The New American Diet (Book Review) J Amer Osteo Assoc 153:107-108, 1987

Update On Rubella, Hepatitis, and H. flu Vaccines Osteo Med News 3:31-32, 1986

Calcium Supplementation in the Treatment of Hypertension J Amer Osteo Assoc 85:104-107, 1985

NMR Analysis of Human and Rabbit Lens Experimental Eye Research 34:545-552, 1982

Personal:

My passion is to transform the traditional medical paradigm in the United States, and that consumes most of my free time. Since 1968, though, I have been an active runner; I completed the Chicago Marathon in just over three hours, among other accomplishments. I have also been a computer hobbyist since 1985, with an interest in the Internet that dates back to the early 1990s.

The existing medical establishment is responsible for killing and permanently injuring millions of Americans, but the surging numbers of visitors to Mercola.com since I began the site in 1997 - we are now routinely among the top 10 health sites on the Internet - convinces me that you, too, are fed up with their deception. You want practical health solutions without the hype, and that's what I offer.



Yep,sounds like a quack to me.LMAO

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Now aside from all the statements from those who are called quacks by those with vested interests in them being considered such,what still amazes me is number one...how many millions of dollars are STILL being awarded to hundreds of people based ,I guess on these "so called" quacks research,and number 2...the other thing that puzzles me is how many people who have actually been harmed by these things are speaking up.Im sure we can all agree that they're all not nuts right??

The actual people who have been harmed by these poisons and how they have been helped by the same so called quacks while traditional medicines,treatments and thinking failed them miserably.

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Yep,sounds like a quack to me.LMAO

Argument from authority. One of the oldest fallacies in the book.

Yes, he was a legitimate doctor, who went to the dark side long time ago. Along wtih his buddies Dr. Oz and Dr. Deepak Chopra. All practicers of woo and fake cures. Guys are no better than the snake oil salesmen of a couple of centuries ago.

I don't care how many degrees he has, how many Nobel Prizes he received. He has turned into a quack. And that is irrefutable. The kind of crap he peddles is the proof. Science does not care for your reputation, or your degrees, or your status in society. The power of the randomized double blinded experiment will win in the end. And in the arena of science, Mercola, Oz and their ilk have lost, and lost badly. People who follow them and fork out their hard earned cash for their snake oil are the losers.

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Argument from authority. One of the oldest fallacies in the book.

Yes, he was a legitimate doctor, who went to the dark side long time ago. Along wtih his buddies Dr. Oz and Dr. Deepak Chopra. All practicers of woo and fake cures. Guys are no better than the snake oil salesmen of a couple of centuries ago.

I don't care how many degrees he has, how many Nobel Prizes he received. He has turned into a quack. And that is irrefutable. The kind of crap he peddles is the proof. Science does not care for your reputation, or your degrees, or your status in society. The power of the randomized double blinded experiment will win in the end. And in the arena of science, Mercola, Oz and their ilk have lost, and lost badly. People who follow them and fork out their hard earned cash for their snake oil are the losers.

You're absolutely right,science does not care because those of science in these regards are those of $$ and thats all.As long as the money train keeps rolling,they'll say whatever it takes to make sure that continues.

As far as his degrees and experience not having any relevance as to his knowledge and/or authority on these things,NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.Only these things can establish ones ability to say without question.Reading about it somewhere means little.Actually putting the man hrs in FIRSTHAND mean anything of importance.

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Great, that's so convenient, isn't it. That's the foolproof arguments of all conspiracy theorists. If you are not buying into the conspiracy theory, that's because you are part of the conspiracy. LMAO... keep believing in your illuminati, reptilian overlords and big pharma. The rest of us in the rational world will put our faith in science.

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Great, that's so convenient, isn't it. That's the foolproof arguments of all conspiracy theorists. If you are not buying into the conspiracy theory, that's because you are part of the conspiracy. LMAO... keep believing in your illuminati, reptilian overlords and big pharma. The rest of us in the rational world will put our faith in science.

Believing in the top people in an industry with actual firsthand experience for decades is not the way to go??? LMFAO.

Im sorry but i'll continue to listen to them.I would place my bet on their word any day of the week.Just like the 2 top virologists in this article.Whom I assume you are suggesting dont know anything either??

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Published research is what I want to see. I don't care what anyone says. Just like Mercola and Oz and Chopra, anyone with credentials can go bad. I don't take anybody's word at face value. Show me published research. Show me randomized double blinded studies. Show me results that can be replicated in other labs. That's the benchmark of proof that science demands. Of course, if you want to believe in pseudo-science, then you don't need any such proof and you can believe anyone you want.

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Published research is what I want to see. I don't care what anyone says. Just like Mercola and Oz and Chopra, anyone with credentials can go bad. I don't take anybody's word at face value. Show me published research. Show me randomized double blinded studies. Show me results that can be replicated in other labs. That's the benchmark of proof that science demands. Of course, if you want to believe in pseudo-science, then you don't need any such proof and you can believe anyone you want.

I understand what you're saying and everytime these experts come out with proof,its quickly hidden and swept under the carpets and their names trashed.

But these same experts are still in the fields helping people.So thats all that matters to me.If someone is cured no matter what it is,im a believer.

If anyone is saved from being injured or harmed in any way,im a believer.