San Bernadine Shooting

[StanG]

All gun control will do is keep guns out of the hands of the law abiding citizen. Criminals will and do already have the means to obtain them. It will not help the situation at all IMO.

[lipripper]

All gun control will do is keep guns out of the hands of the law abiding citizen. Criminals will and do already have the means to obtain them. It will not help the situation at all IMO.

Exactly...funny..everyone for gun control isn't even talking about all the pipe bombs they had with them and more at their house. Even without the guns..they would/could still of done the damage if not worse. just start throwing them around instead of shooting...... again..Boston Bombing...how soon we forget.. no guns there really...just pressure cookers from walmart.... wake up people... if someone or a group wants to kill..they will find a means to do their destruction...

People are the issue... and honest law abiding people have the right to protect themselves from the sick fucks in the world.:agreed:

So..if you can come up with a means to stop the sick fucks but allow law abiding citizens to keep their rights..let me hear it..cause Ill be all for it!

[Scrumhalf]

So Rip, we just have more crazies here than in Switzerland and Finland that have almost as many guns per capita as we do and much much lower gun violence?

[redback]

Question. Do you guys think gun control would do NOTHING ?

[lipripper]

so why do they have shootings on occasion as well? Oh that must be because PEOPLE are there...

[lipripper]

Question. Do you guys think gun control would do NOTHING ?

because there are too many guns already..it cannot be controlled...If it could fix it perfectly..then why was there a shootout in Australia about a month or two ago? They have gun laws

[lipripper]

So Rip, we just have more crazies here than in Switzerland and Finland that have almost as many guns per capita as we do and much much lower gun violence?

I would have to say yes...what do you think scrum...is it just because a gun is available..a "normal" person will go get it just to shoot up a school? really?

[redback]

because there are too many guns already..it cannot be controlled...If it could fix it perfectly..then why was there a shootout in Australia about a month or two ago? They have gun laws

You didn't read the question correctly. I didn't say it would fix the problem completely but do you honestly believe it would have absolutely no impact ??

[lipripper]

You didn't read the question correctly. I didn't say it would fix the problem completely but do you honestly believe it would have absolutely no impact ??

ok..read my statement.... I said if someone has an answer to fix this and not take the rights of law abiding citizens away..Im all for it..

Now I ask you..if Im a law abaiding citizen..why do you want to take away my rights?

that's like saying ..you have a drink on occasion..so your not allowed to have a car...one day you may drive drunk!!! think about it..

[Scrumhalf]

Yes, they have shootings too but we have many many more than any other developed country in the world. It has become a way of life here guys, why can't we acknowledge this?

So the question is why? It has to be:

1. More crazy people than Europe/Oz/Nz.

2. Easier for crazies to get guns, especially assault rifles that can cause lots of damage in short periods of time.

Are we saying that NOTHING can be done and that's just the way it will be in America?

What's wrong with something like an assault rifle ban and VERY thorough background checks that will prevent people with mental issues from getting access to guns?

Will it stop every attack? Maybe not, but we seem to be paralyzed by the assertion that if we don't have a solution that addresses EVERY situation, we should do NOTHING.

Nobody is saying gut the 2nd amendment and take away everyone's guns, but we are unable to do ANYTHING, even sensible compromises.

[redback]

ok..read my statement.... I said if someone has an answer to fix this and not take the rights of law abiding citizens away..Im all for it..

Now I ask you..if Im a law abaiding citizen..why do you want to take away my rights?

that's like saying ..you have a drink on occasion..so your not allowed to have a car...one day you may drive drunk!!! think about it..

What exactly are you concerned about? Not being able to protect yourself or not being able to Fire off some shots when you feel like it? The latter you can still do in our country with a lic and in s controlled environment.

[lipripper]

look up all the REAL gun laws and how they are implemented...then research the penalties for breaking those laws..then look at how EASY the criminals get over for breaking said law...its not the law scrum..your a smart guy..its the SYSTEM buddy..it don't hold the criminals to the standard of punishment that is set... so guess what..they go do it again when they get released early...when you can fix that..and criminals are actually held to that standard..you will see crime diminish(maybe). Not by taking it away from a law abiding citizen.

[lipripper]

What exactly are you concerned about? Not being able to protect yourself or not being able to Fire off some shots when you feel like it? The latter you can still do in our country with a lic and in s controlled environment.

I'm concerned with my rights being taken away and my right to self protection of my family and well being.

why are you so concerned with what happens here..your rights have already been taken away.. You used to have them but no longer do. WHY???? because of PEOPLE who didn't follow the law...that is sad in my opnion.I don't want to be in that position.

[Turbo3000]

Yes, they have shootings too but we have many many more than any other developed country in the world. It has become a way of life here guys, why can't we acknowledge this?

So the question is why? It has to be:

1. More crazy people than Europe/Oz/Nz.

2. Easier for crazies to get guns, especially assault rifles that can cause lots of damage in short periods of time.

Are we saying that NOTHING can be done and that's just the way it will be in America?

What's wrong with something like an assault rifle ban and VERY thorough background checks that will prevent people with mental issues from getting access to guns?

Will it stop every attack? Maybe not, but we seem to be paralyzed by the assertion that if we don't have a solution that addresses EVERY situation, we should do NOTHING.

Nobody is saying gut the 2nd amendment and take away everyone's guns, but we are unable to do ANYTHING, even sensible compromises.

Assault rifle? What the fuck is that?

Don't use media created terms. The media is already stating that the shooters were in "assault style clothing". Just a scare tactic. Maybe we can outlaw black clothing, possible camo also.

[Turbo3000]

Scrum, also realize that background checks are conducted and they fail because you have 18 government agencies creating 42 different fucking lists and government employees are some of the WORST at doing their jobs. People fall though the checks because it is a government cluster fuck.